replacing my thermal store and boiler…Help in specifying

[Ray Tay]

Dan Robinson, the 'tard, I haven't a clue what you are on about, as you gave little snippets of info. You do make me larf

 

[PullerGas]

It wasn't the credit crunch that put Glefhill out the game, they were getting sued left, right & centre Ray. Their units are shyte!!

Ray, I mean this in a serious way & with understanding; are you on medication?

 

[Ray Tay]

AGAS, people are ripping Systemates out because of ignorance. That is apparent. The parts to go wrong:

1. THREE temperature sensors,
2. THREE Grundfos pumps,
3. A pcb.

That is It! No thermostatic temperature blending valves or flow switches, or complex pressure & temperature valves, or a couple of thermostats. It is a simple as hell.

The pumps are readily available off the shelf from B&Q; Grundfos pumps, not a specialist combi pump that can cost over £200. One of them is a variable speed job which is not exorbitant in price, the other two can be any make you like. The sensors are cheap enough and the pcb can be exchanged for a recon one for £81. It does NOT sludge up at all. The functionality of the pcb is highly impressive.

Any dope can test each pump, by using a 3-pin plug and a wires to each one separately. If they are OK then each temperature sensor can be changed and see if it works, then fine. A dope who hasn't much of a clue how it works can get one going. The pumps work? then look at the sensors? If still no joy then the pcb. A proper guy would know how to test the sensors by measuring the resistances. But even a dope can just change one and see.

Yet a bunch of ignoramuses take them out because they haven't a clue how it works. You haven't a clue about centralised control.

 

[Dan Robinson]

people are ripping Systemates out because of ignorance

And you know this how?

 

[Ray Tay]

PullerGas, I keep hearing 'the Systemate is shyte'. But no one backs that up. Oh Shyte guv! I know one that ticks along very reliably and many around that do as well.

Da Robinson, by the ignorance I have witnessed here that can only be the problem. If one does not work, three sensors and a pcb of £81 recon is cheaper than ripping it out? Leave it out mate! The OP here was being conned by one of the 'these are shyte' conmen.

 

[AGAS]

your boring me , if you love it so much why don't you install one in your house and put your money where your mouth is

 

[Ray Tay]

AGAS, you are bored because you haven't much a clue about how the highly simple Systemates operate and centralised control. Rip it out guv and let's make a wedge from the suckers. That is what the OP was up against.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Care in the community at its finest.

This was the way we did much the same with a simple thermal store. Didn't have the predictive bit - which is pure marketing hype for gullible pillocks.

Add this:

And hey presto - hot water.

 

[shambolic]

bernardgreen, not Pektron. ELOK of the Czech Republic. They make commercial and industrial control.
http://www.elok.cz/en/products/electronics

shambolic, A Systemate 2000, not the Boilermate. My mates is still great, running after about 20 years, so are those around him. The big grey box (his is now cream) in the cupboard gives off little heat as it is highly insulated. I must admit he did put a little pipe insulation on the pipes in the cupboard. Some go wrong and they may have come to your attention. But you never came across those that never went wrong, which was most of them.

Dan Robinson, the Accolade is an unvented cylinder. I did a Google
http://www.gledhill-spares.net/documents/accolade_(including_accolade_plus).pdf

That Camden problem sounds to me like the gas mains could not cope, so they put in very small boilers and the mains still could not cope. It sounds like the gas supplier was not informed, why else would they go all electric?

Feck off u complete mentalist. Try working on one in an airing cupboard in the upstairs hall In the summer.
Never had problems? Site of 150. I could go into our warranty call outs for definitive amounts as we gave the housebuilder a 2 year system warranty including the cylinder.
But I reckon 10-20 jobs per house per year. On that site alone. 95% was pertaining to cylinder.
They were complete sh1te of the highest order

 

[Davie Jones]

Yeah, the first batch of Elok boards for the electramate would go through one heat cycle and then fry themselves.. Top quality commie shyte

 

[shambolic]

Edit just noticed I replied before reading the rest of the comments.
Backs up what I said though. Complete crap

 

[shambolic]

Can anyone please confirm if Google is still the best search engine??
Oh sorry, I know nothing about the Internet, since I'm stuck in the 50s!!

Every day I learn, every day I stand back in wonderment at technoligy. I love my trade & I'm very lucky to have worked with some brilliant tradesmen. If that means I'm stuck in the 50s, then I'm happy to be stuck in the 50s.

My first few months as an apprentice with BG was with a walking fitter and we got the bus to jobs ( hi @Agile ).
Was a learning curve and was great. Even a simple thing like putting a bowl in the sink and filling it with water and letting the tap on full rate go into the bowl/pint tumbler stopped it splashing.
Lead wipe joints, loads of other wee things that are being lost now.

 

[Davie Jones]

Were they as good as the Pulsecoil?

Was it the Accolade they flogged to inner city developers trying to shoe horn flats into areas where the gas supply couldn't service the building? Have a couple of developments in Camden and Victoria that had dealings with Gledhill thermal stores. All ripped out and replaced with stand alone electric boilers and Unvented cylinders.

Can't comment on the Pulscoil Dan, all the stuff I get are either boilermates or electramates..The electramates are all in blocks of flats and are really popular with the folks who live below them

 

[shambolic]

FFS they are complete sh1te. You do know they used sh1t bollofix pump valves that leaked and that meant a 5/6 hour drain and refill to change them due to the 300L thermal store p1sh.
Give it up FFS
We are getting bored now and just humouring you now

 

[Dan Robinson]

bollofix pump valves that leaked

Before or after you looked at them with a screwdriver in your hand?.... most wouldn't turn anyway.