Rewire or not to rewire?

Tis true I made the same assumption - as it is clearly written that way. But then I thought; when you lose a job you think you have in the bag you never really know why ( for me it is probably because I look too young to be trusted with electricity, even if I am actually in my 40s :D), as I say, I have learnt customer are fickle. It is their house, their money, and in this case, their time, so they get to decide.

If I were ED I would review the way he "order processes" jobs and also review whether he should be asking customers to help on jobs. (If the customer requests to muck in then one has not much choice). But it is to be avoided. I hate to add but I will, IMO if ED charged the right money he would be able to hire help in himself and have someone working under his direction who is covered by his PLI and his ELI rather than be in the limbo created by having a customer help. I turn down offer of help from customers to unload my van, as they probably stem from politeness rather than a real desire to become part of my work force. I have had customers that have wanted to do some bit, in which case; i clearly define the limits of what I am doing, in order that there is not a question later as to what is my work, and what is their work, in terms of what I am responsible for guaranteeing.

It is hard being a one man band, but for bigger jobs it is worth putting in the customers mind that you will be tackling their job in colaberation with some one you work with regularly and that that person is also qualified or is your employee.

I would be really interested if icraig would share with us whether the company he has chosen was more expensive and if so by what factor than ED. As this could give us an important insight of how the customer perceives value.

Regards

Martin

Hi Martin,

They were indeed a little more expensive, however they have 6 electricians at the company and we were told that they'll be able to do the rewire within a week. And this really made them appealing as they don't need my 'help' nor do I need to waste time off work when I don't need to (well can't at this time).
Plus like I said above a member of my family is disabled and their care needed to be sorted, so you can imagine either going with a bigger company with 6 sparks (not a national company may I add, just a bigger local one) or a one man band with me helping when I really don't have a clue, plus electrics scare me! :LOL:

I'll more than likely need that time off later when the rest of the house needs doing anyway.

They also gave us a fully itemised quote of what work is going to be done and what parts they'll use, which really swung it for us. And they mentioned all the certs and everything. They even asked me what I wanted and where, and did give suggestions but ultimately went with what I asked for. Where as no offence to ED he was trying to get us to put things where we didn't want them nor require them. Also he was sticking his nose into business that wasn't really his to stick it into like where we site the boiler...

I know BAS posted above that I may have got him out for design ideas but thats far from it, I've lived in the house for over 20 years so I know what I'd like/need where. Obviously the sparks know if what I want is possible.

Finally with us having the kitchen done aswell it made more sense to go with a more local company, especially when it comes to do the 2nd fix in the kitchen when its finished, and I didn't like the idea of having to call someone out who is clearly busy going up and down the country to do a small thing like a 2nd fix.

Thanks

Craig
 
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Thank you Craig, I think you have taken the trouble to list almost all of the things that tradesman need to be aware of when visiting potential customers. It is all too easy to play the expert touring a work site, and lose site that the task is to win trust from the person a who LIVES in the house and the other occupants that will be using their house while you work in it.

If I have ever lost a job it is probably because of my neglect to take proper account of one of the following points.

* They were indeed a little more expensive
* they have 6 electricians at the company
* able to do the rewire within a week.
* don't need my 'help'
* I don't need to waste time off work
* member of my family is disabled and their care needed to be sorted,
* bigger company with 6 sparks
* Not one man band with me helping
* electrics scare me! :LOL:
* fully itemised quote
* mentioned all the certs and everything.
* Told us what parts they'll use,
* Asked me what I wanted and where
* Gave suggestions but ultimately went with what I asked for
* Did Not want put things where we didn't want them nor require them
* made more sense to go with a more local company
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This is good news especially in the recessionary times because, it means that we need to up our game and meet the customers expectaion as opposed to pricing ourselves out of exsistanced. Price is important but Value is more important.

If someone is a complete skinflint then ED is your man. He'll let you buy the parts, you do most of the work and pay him a measly £17.50 per hour to take all of the business risk and responsibility for the job for what crumbs of the job you decide to throw his way. This is not meant as an insult to ED as I think it is easy to get caught in a spiral down this path when you lose a few jobs or have a gap in your diary. But the warnings are in craigs post which I bullet point above.

It comes across too desperate and you can easily miss the fact that the customer wants the tradesman to buy the stuff and do the work.

Ask what can I do for this customer, not what can the customer for me.



;)

martin
 
Electriciandirect is a pushy arrogant self publicist who treats this forum as an advertising board.

The fact that he's desperate enough to drive from southampton to cumbria for a few days work speaks volumes, I would never employ him to do anything.

iCraig you made the right choice.

That is a bit unfair really. I am guilt of suggesting that the two of them get it together as I saw that they were in the same area and I also saw that Craig was up for a bargain. But as is the way when you introduce two friends that you think will get on - they never do. (why is that)

But you seem to have really taken against our ED. He is only trying to make a living and you have nothing to say that he is doing anything wrong at all. Look on his web site where he has the right to be a self publicist and you will see that he is quite a professional guy.

I do feel sorry for him having to balance life with young children and self employment. I do it it - it aint easy, and the compromises we make to work over family time take there toil on family life. I am here today doing my account so I don't get strung up by the balls at the end of the month when they are due. My kids are 1 and 3 year olds are downstairs and calling for me. When I have lunch I will start my working day, but I have to get past them and they won't like that. ED took time out and shuffled his work to try and make to for the job before the deal was closed. That was and is his mistake. We live and learn - harsh lessons.

Regards

Martin
 
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But you seem to have really taken against our ED. He is only trying to make a living and you have nothing to say that he is doing anything wrong at all. Look on his web site where he has the right to be a self publicist and you will see that he is quite a professional guy.

I think you should take a closer look
 
OK it looks quite slick but I suppose the bit offering a single rcd as an option on the C/U could do with a revisit

:)

Martin
 
OK it looks quite slick but I suppose the bit offering a single rcd as an option on the C/U could do with a revisit

:)

Martin

I think that offering an installation that wont comply with the requirements of BS7671 is incompetent, other things set alarm bells ringing although I shan't be broadcasting them publicly, I don't think it is fair.
 
The fact that he's desperate enough to drive from southampton to cumbria for a few days work...
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The fact that he's desperate enough to drive from southampton to cumbria for a few days work...
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BAS, this is your latest trick to magnify bits of the screen really big. You are the only one that does it. :D

I am sure the novelty will wear off at some point.

Yes I do agree it is a bit confusing why Ijohn thought he lived in Southampton. Did the location change in his profile during the course of this thread?

Martin
 
BAS, this is your latest trick to magnify bits of the screen really big.
I've got PowerPoint set to produce JPGs at some enormous size. I usually then scale them down - I guessed at a size for that image and after I'd uploaded it I thought "Oh - a bit big", but left it, as it wasn't big enough in absolute terms to be a problem.
 

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