Should people who refuse a Covid vaccine be denied treatment or charged for it?

[charliegolf]

On excess deaths... were all the docs and nurses lying to get us to clap for them then? Are they sh1tting themselves right now only 'cos they want a better pay rise? Were 'normal/everyday' demands for ICU beds overwhelmed because medics were being hysterical? THOUSANDS have died of and because of Covid. Sixty thou?- maybe not. But plenty have, and more is coming.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Because there is a rolling average year on year, in 2018 541,589 people died, in 2019 53840, the rolling yearly average is very roughly 540,000

The number of deaths for 2020 is projected to exceed 610,000, the only change to the normal order of things is Covid19.

That is true but does not mean the excess 60,000 is all covid.

Annual deaths have been rising since 2011 - 485,000 - (except dip in 2019) so had they used a ten year average, then the 2020 excess deaths would be even higher with the same number of deaths.

I assume this rise is due to my fellow boomers reaching that point.

So, the 60,000 includes:

The nominal amount above a low average.
Expected increased number of population being old boomers.
Those quoted as covid but not - mistakes and false positives.
Those with other ailments not being treated.

I don't know the exact number of each but a total of 30,000 would not be an unreasonable figure.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2019#:~:text=In 2019, there were 530,841,males and 4.7% for females.

 

[Notch7]

Do you not understand;

Died with Covid

Or died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid

does not necessarily mean Covid killed them?

Let me explain for you. If I tested positive for Covid today and got run over by a bus tomorrow, I will be a statistic for dying withing 28 days of testing positive for Covid. But the bus killed me not Covid.

If a relative dies of cancer, do you say "uncle Fred died with cancer" or "uncle Fred died from cancer"? If it was with, then Fred succumbed to something else. Yes, some in the 60,000 will definitely have died solely from Covid, but not the whole 60,000. Possibly a lot less. The stats are skewed with clever words and phrasing to exaggerate the real situation to justify the governments actions. Also remember that the PCR test's accuracy is now being questioned so not only the Covid Death figures, but the whole picture for Covid infection levels may be inaccurate.

Remember these are GOVERNMENT stats, the same government using inflated stats to justify continuous lockdowns. The same goverment run by a known liar and lying, bully-boy Cummings pulling the strings. Yet the sheep still unquestioningly believe everything that is spoon fed to them

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/c...000-people-die-day-statistics-watchdog-750438

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54831334

You are arguing that the methodology is incorrect or misleading.

There is not an attempt to skew or mislead, it is actually very difficult to create accurate data from death records

Anyway whether the deaths are 30,000 or 60,000 isn't really all that relavent.

What you need to avoid doing is making comparisons of Covid deaths with other deaths causes.

Why?

Because deaths from Covid are despite massive intervention to reduce infection spread.

It's not a clever argument to say govt interventions weren't necessary because they were so successful in keeping the death rate down.....

 

[EFLImpudence]

Because deaths from Covid are despite massive intervention to reduce infection spread.
It's not a clever argument to say govt interventions weren't necessary because they were so successful in keeping the death rate down.....

How can that apply when the UK has one of the worst death rates in the world?

 

[Brigadier]

How can that apply when the UK has one of the worst death rates in the world?

Because Notch says so, and that's final.

 

[Trazor]

Total boll@x!

Thank you for such a reasoned argument.

 

[IT Minion]

How can that apply when the UK has one of the worst death rates in the world?

Lockdown started late after virtually no controls to slow the spread and we racked up huge numbers of dead due to it. Once lockdown started infections dropped quickly. After lockdown ended but before schools went back we were still doing ok, not well but ok.

 

[johnny2007]

Thank you for such a reasoned argument.

There's nothing more to say following your simplistic theories.

 

[johnny2007]

Lockdown started late after virtually no controls to slow the spread and we racked up huge numbers of dead due to it. Once lockdown started infections dropped quickly. After lockdown ended but before schools went back we were still doing ok, not well but ok.

More boll@x!
It's a boll@x day...

 

[IT Minion]

More boll@x!
It's a boll@x day...

How? Or is it internet tourettes?

 

[johnny2007]

How? Or is it internet tourettes?

It's a fair response to a lot of boll@x spat out without any fundations.

 

[Ihavenojob]

If you ran someone over and they died, and it was your fault, but that person had tested positive for covid within 28 days, they would go down as a covid death. Could you be prosecuted for causing death by dangerous driving, as they died of/with/from covid ?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I think some are getting a bit confued with their excess, average and actual deaths. I can see why people are getting aeriated, it's not nice to have it pointed out that they might have been misled by the government and their 'statistics'.

So, time for a little light relief.

 

[Brigadier]

If you ran someone over and they died, and it was your fault, but that person had tested positive for covid within 28 days, they would go down as a covid death. Could you be prosecuted for causing death by dangerous driving, as they died of/with/from covid ?

Both probably, because it suits two purposes

 

[Ihavenojob]

Both probably, because it suits two purposes

Both what ? Death certificates usually give A cause of death, you only die once.