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[Notch7]

If an old person whose only asset is their home and they had to sell it , they would have some cash but nowhere to live.
They would then have to rent somewhere to live and pay rent, this would just create more demand for rental properties.
How long they lived would
decide how long their savings lasted.

they can do equity release

they live in a home that has accumulated wealth through no effort on their part

we live in a society where the younger generations cant afford to get on the housing ladder at all, ever

 

[motorbiking]

You are really struggling to understand, that if you provide the same service to the guy who pays as the guy who doesn’t pay. Nobody is incentivised to have money to pay. The tax payer then picks up the bill for vastly more people who would pay if it wasn’t this way.

 

[JohnD]

You are really struggling to understand, that if you provide the same service to the guy who pays as the guy who doesn’t pay. Nobody is incentivised to have money to pay. The tax payer then picks up the bill for vastly more people who would pay if it wasn’t this way.

"Down with the NHS, " eh?

The fire brigade will have an easy time of it too.

The children of the poor will get a substandard education.
(Like they do) and poor nutrition.

That will be good for the nation, won't it.

Twit.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You are really struggling to understand, that if you provide the same service to the guy who pays as the guy who doesn’t pay. Nobody is incentivised to have money to pay. The tax payer then picks up the bill for vastly more people who would pay if it wasn’t this way.

If its the same service, quality, levels of staff, then maybe.

My experience of care homes is that they aren't all the same.

Paying gives you a better choice.

 

[Mottie]

If its the same service, quality, levels of staff, then maybe.

My experience of care homes is that they aren't all the same.

Paying gives you a better choice.

When Mrs Mottie and her sister were visiting care homes, looking for one for their mother, one of them they visited stank of pìss and half the residents had black eyes, bruises, bandages etc. They didn’t even hang about to speak to anybody. Funnily enough, it wasn’t even one of the cheapest!

As she rightly says, if they ever visited her in the care home she is in now and felt that things were 'off' or they weren’t treating her mother well, being a paying customer, they could take her out of there and have her in somewhere else pretty quickly. If she was being funded, she'd have to put a complaint in, wait for it to be heard by a panel and if they agreed, it could still take some time to move her elsewhere. They don’t want that for their mum.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

When Mrs Mottie and her sister were visiting care homes, looking for one for their mother, one of them they visited stank of pìss and half the residents had black eyes, bruises, bandages etc. They didn’t even hang about to speak to anybody. Funnily enough, it wasn’t even one of the cheapest!

As she rightly says, if they ever visited her in the care home she is in now and felt that things were 'off' or they weren’t treating her mother well, being a paying customer, they could take her out of there and have her in somewhere else pretty quickly. If she was being funded, she'd have to put a complaint in, wait for it to be heard by a panel and if they agreed, it could still take some time to move her elsewhere. They don’t want that for their mum.

And that is worth paying for (from her own assets).

Easy to say it's all the same, until you look at the detail .

 

[blup]

From political nicknames to equity release, classic diynot thread.

 

[Mottie]

It’s always the way!

 

[motorbiking]

"Down with the NHS, " eh?

The fire brigade will have an easy time of it too.

The children of the poor will get a substandard education.
(Like they do) and poor nutrition.

That will be good for the nation, won't it.

Twit.

good grief, your imbecilic ramblings have no limits.

 

[motorbiking]

If its the same service, quality, levels of staff, then maybe.

My experience of care homes is that they aren't all the same.

Paying gives you a better choice.

If it was structured that way by design, then a lot less people would be emptying their pockets to get the same for free.

 

[JohnD]

You are really struggling to understand, that if you provide the same service to the guy who pays as the guy who doesn’t pay. Nobody is incentivised to have money to pay. The tax payer then picks up the bill for vastly more people who would pay if it wasn’t this way.

Imbecilic ramblings

Motorbiking has either not thought about how health and social care and the fire service need to work, or is hoping to conceal it.

More likely the second.

 

[JohnD]

emptying their pockets to get the same for free.

"Deprivation of assets" as they say.

Shirley Porter did something similar to evade justice.

 

[motorbiking]

Imbecilic ramblings

Motorbiking has either not thought about how health and social care and the fire service need to work, or is hoping to conceal it.

More likely the second.

What has the fire service got to do with providing care homes?

You accept that Hotels come at different levels of service, you accept that cars provide different levels of luxury. Everything in life is price according to the consumers budget.

Where we live when we get old and need help should be no different.

 

[Notch7]

You accept that Hotels come at different levels of service, you accept that cars provide different levels of luxury. Everything in life is price according to the consumers budget.

not true

NHS / social services set fees for care homes is below market cost.......so those privately funded subsidise the state funded rooms

often the govt paid for care home place at around say £800 a week is the same as the privately funded one at £1300 a week.

I know this is true because my mother who was kept in hospital for months whilst the primary care trust and social services argued about who would pay.........and eventually she was given a place at a care home only very recently built

In any case care homes are yet another example of privatisation failure

 

[blup]

The other aspect of elderly care is that free care for those with NHS continuing healthcare needs is very difficult to get in practice because they turn virtually everything down.