So, do we book a holiday or don’t we?

[ellal]

2.3 million are dead with global lockdowns, and a vaccine rolling out. If there were no lockdowns, no restrictions on movement, and no vaccine, do you think the figure would be the same, after 10 years of "just learning to live with it"?

More die of respiratory diseases in an average year...

Or Cancer and Heart Disease...

Or malnutrition/deprivation...

But we have 'learned to live' with that!

Most of those who have died with covid would have succumbed anyway, or have a doubled risk of expected death within 6-9 months.
Because the average age of death with covid is higher than the average life expectancy!

What do you expect the number of excess deaths due to preventable diseases and poverty will be in 10 years time due to ongoing 'virus' measures?

 

[^woody^]

More die of respiratory diseases in an average year...

Or Cancer and Heart Disease...

Or malnutrition/deprivation...

But we have 'learned to live' with that!

Most of those who have died with covid would have succumbed anyway, or have a doubled risk of expected death within 6-9 months.
Because the average age of death with covid is higher than the average life expectancy!

What do you expect the number of excess deaths due to preventable diseases and poverty will be in 10 years time due to ongoing 'virus' measures?

Are all these people crammed in to every available ICU bed all at once?

 

[Mottie]

More die of respiratory diseases in an average year...

Or Cancer and Heart Disease...

Or malnutrition/deprivation...

But can they pass those conditions on to others by being in the same bus, train, lift, office, hairdressers, shop, house.....

 

[Charlie George]

Most of those who have died with covid would have succumbed anyway, or have a doubled risk of expected death within 6-9 months.
Because the average age of death with covid is higher than the average life expectancy!

RKI has done an initial study on the lost years of life in Germany due to Covid- in 2020, each person who died due to Covid lost out, on average 9.6 years, this is from a German goverment department.

 

[ellal]

RKI has done an initial study on the lost years of life in Germany due to Covid- in 2020, each person who died due to Covid lost out, on average 9.6 years, this is from a German goverment department.

At odds with the UK stance then...

"In other words, you really don’t want to catch it, but if you do, it only doubles the risk of dying that you would normally have in the coming six to nine months."

Furthermore ...

"Substantial increases in the number of avoidable cancer deaths in England are to be expected as a result of diagnostic delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK. Urgent policy interventions are necessary, particularly the need to manage the backlog within routine diagnostic services to mitigate the expected impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on patients with cancer."

"In the UK, national COVID-19 pandemic measures since March 16, 2020, have resulted in the suspension of cancer screening and deferral of routine diagnostic investigations. Additionally, urgent 2-week wait referrals for patients with suspected cancer initiated by general practitioners (GPs) have decreased by up to 80% in response to physical distancing."

I wonder when the real truth about this 'virus' will out?

Could it be 9.6 years?

Or never?

After all we've been 'living with' the HK flu 'virus' since 1968!

 

[ellal]

Are all these people crammed in to every available ICU bed all at once?

Care to tell us about why the covid designated 'Nightingale hospitals' are empty?

And why it is costing over £500 million keeping them empty?

 

[ellal]

But can they pass those conditions on to others by being in the same bus, train, lift, office, hairdressers, shop, house.....

So can you tell us why the government allows people to still congregate in places of transport/shops/work if said 'virus' can be passed on?

Almost 500,000 STD's were diagnosed in the UK in 2019...

Conditions that can be 'passed on', and some have an 'R number' that approaches what governments are saying need to be lowered to before life goes back to the 'new normal'...

And those conditions also have long term effects...

So will you be calling for 'no sex please, we're british'?

 

[John the plumber]

What makes me laugh is how a post like this ends up in a holiday thread. If you feel that strongly, start a separate thread.

What makes me laugh is someone who has gone off topic MULTIPLE times, on MULTIPLE topics, on MULTIPLE threads and then suggests someone else shouldn’t have gone off topic
Oh and hypocrisy.

 

[John the plumber]

You dug around for a 14 year old thread, what a w****r

What makes me laugh is someone who posts at 6.04pm and then someone responds at 6.09 pm and thus the original TROLL suggests the respondent “dug around”

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Control. It's not so ridiculous when they're giving out 10 year sentences for minor transgressions. And as a byproduct, lockdown is helping them meet their climate change objectives. Don't forget there's a climate emergency apparently - yet another scare tactic to keep the plebs in their place. Probably other reasons. Who can second guess this lot.

So you admit you really are just guessing at a conspiracy?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Well there's something going on. They keep moving the goalposts. Just a few weeks to flatten the curve, save the NHS, now lockdown unlikely to end while they keep conjouring up new variants. Even talk of staying in lockdown until zero Covid in population which is probably unachievable. Suddenly it's like the vaccine won't be enough to get back to some kind of normality. I'm only suggesting possible reasons, only they know why they're doing this.

So which bit of 'they are having to adjust, once they gain knowledge and experience of the virus' do you not understand?

Dealing with the covid is a completely new experience for everyone. How the world deals with it has to be continually adjusted as we gain the essential experience.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Yes. But a lot fewer deaths then claimed. If they're exaggerating that, what else are they lying about? No seasonal flu deaths this year. Are they serious? Don't agree with police state or vaccine passports. Mutations are used to scare gullible people and used to justify stretching out lockdowns. They're entirely normal and haven't seen any evidence that the any mutations that may exist are worse than the original flavour of Corona. Ever changing goalposts from a decitful, incompetent government.

Which government, just the UK's government, or all governments. From where I am standing it is ALL governments around the world and you are suggesting all of these governments are deceitful and have secret agendas. Could any sane, level headed person come up with such an idea - I think not.

You read and believe far too many conspiracy theory, they cloud your thinking. I read them too, but I am bright enough to be able to apply logic and discount most of them as just an amusing idea.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Care to tell us about why the covid designated 'Nightingale hospitals' are empty?

And why it is costing over £500 million keeping them empty?

Care to explain why you drive around with a spare wheel in the boot, why have a stock of food in your cupboard greater than your immediate needs and why you insure your car and your property?

 

[Mottie]

So can you tell us why the government allows people to still congregate in places of transport/shops/work if said 'virus' can be passed on?

Not sure about places of worship but some things must go on. We must eat, make our houses safe and warm, keep essential services going etc and precautions must be taken. How far do you want to go - tell doctors and nurses they mustn’t work because there’s a virus about - are your medics avoiding work these days?

Almost 500,000 STD's were diagnosed in the UK in 2019...

STD's? You’re showing your age now, old woman, it’s STI's - they’ve downgraded it from a disease to an infection these days. Again, that’s down to people not taking precautions but how are you going to monitor that - are you putting yourself up for the job?

 

[^woody^]

Care to tell us about why the covid designated 'Nightingale hospitals' are empty?

And why it is costing over £500 million keeping them empty?

I suspect it's because they were not needed.

Your narrow mind does not seem to realise that in the time since the first wave, new treatments have been developed leading to quicker recovery and less time in a hospital bed.