Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

JP_ said:
Who are these "certain types" at British universities, and what are they doing?
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Rather dated. What caused it. Some people who attended our top universities thought society was unfair so went to the left of politics. Their decision and some still make the same one.
 
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Yes. Quite a long way from Andy's claims that "all British institutions are now run by loony lefties".

This is just what the Russians do. "Oh look, there's dozen neo-Nazi's, let's claim the whole country is Nazi."
Or the right wing tabs & government here, "oh look, one person said something that was a bit racist, let's claim the whole left is racist at heart".

Same old political BS. Only the brainwashed believe any of it.
 
Looks like Russia is going to go down the Soviet cesspit:
The president can revise his military strategy but not his political situation. How does he get out of this mess? He probably cannot: there are several paths he could take, but they all lead to the same dead end.

Is Putin safe?
Some in the West seem to be putting their hopes on a coup that ousts Putin, but at present this seems unlikely.

The Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev was toppled by a political coup in 1964, but that was because the rules of the Communist Party created a mechanism for a leader’s removal.

Article 93 of the current Russian constitution allows for impeachment, but requires a two-thirds vote in both chambers of a parliament packed with political appointees. Many are opportunists who would throw Putin under a metro train if they felt it was in their interests and was safe to do, but so long as he controls the Federal Security Service (FSB), any such conspiracy would be nipped in the bud — and everyone knows that.

Perhaps the only institution that could oust Putin would be the army. However, as in Soviet times, the various security forces counter each other. The military have two elite divisions outside Moscow, but these are carefully watched by the FSB. Meanwhile, the National Guard has an oversized division in the capital, as well as a couple of regiments of Omon riot police. The separate Federal Protection Service controls the Kremlin Regiment. Any move by the military would be a bloody and contested affair. There are no indications to suggest that Putin is vulnerable.


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According to the respected analyst Tatiana Stanovaya, elements among Russia’s beleaguered and horrified business elite are suggesting that Russia buy its way out of the war, offering perhaps $150 billion in return for Crimea and the territories held by the rebel “people’s republics”. This war has never been about territory, though, but Russia’s status as a great power — and Putin’s status as a great ruler. To him, a great power takes what it feels it deserves, it does not haggle for it.

So Putin cannot back down. It is unlikely that he can lose, in the immediate sense of his forces being driven back over the border. For all the evident weaknesses on display, Russia still has the military advantage, and can if all else fails retrench in the east. But there is a difference between not being able to lose and winning. Any “victory” would be a Pyrrhic one, leading to an endless campaign against Ukrainian partisans, while struggling under the burden of unprecedented sanctions.

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In these circumstances, so long as the security forces remain disciplined and loyal it becomes difficult to organise any kind of co-ordinated protest, let alone challenge a powerful and vicious state. Most Russians will, as in the Brezhnev era, retreat into sullen disaffection, and those who can, will leave. For the Kremlin, this will be good enough: authoritarian regimes tend to rely on fearful apathy more than genuine enthusiasm.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...om-this-nightmare-of-his-own-making-v2ktvw08g

As of today, it looks like eventually take Ukraine, but costing Russia far more lives than they needed to. But future doesn't look good for Russia itself.
 
Yeah, I think all we can do is provide Ukraine cheap arms and humanitarian aid, while hoping that sanctions hurt Russia.
But China is an ally and could cover much of the lost trade, cutting many western countries out of current deals.
Then it really will we East V West, and that is not a good situation either!
 
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transam said:
with a potentially hostile country

Putin does not have enough forces to completely occupy and subjugate the entire country

he would need to double his personnel
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Absolutely, he committed a higher % of his troops to this (about 40%?), than the US sent to Iraq. Its not going to go well.
 
When the Soviet’s went into czechoslovakia

they had a half million personnel

ukraine is a massive country to occupy ?
 
News said he was apparently looking to allies in Middle East to support his campaign.
 
Watching EU Commission plan, live from Versailles. Good to see how most of Europe can work together to fight Russia. Shame we're not part of this.
 
I thought Russia was a huge country with a huge population and a huge army?

why is he scraping the barrel?
 
JohnD said:
I thought Russia was a huge country with a huge population and a huge army?

why is he scraping the barrel?
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dunno

mercenary’s ? Could be it’s easier to distance his self from atrocities ? Dare say the bulk will come from Syria ( assuming reports are correct )

also there is that private Russian security mob
 
transam said:
yes reports of up to 16000 (????)
Fighters going to help the Russians
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And Polish fighters signing up for Ukraine.

This is how things escalate. I wonder what the feeling was in the first weeks of WW2. Probably similar. Just news of alliances and troop movements in far away lands ...
 
bernardgreen said:
Maybe because the troops he has got have a degree of humanity and have concerns about civilians dying
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After bombing health centres and hospitals 63 times in a week, it is hard to see how that could be the reason!
 
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