Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

[ajohn]

If you are referring to the 'Stop the War' demos in London..

The situation in Russia is more like UK WWII. Any sort of pacifist locked up. Media wouldn't dare object but only news papers around really. Various races being deported and other actions.

Sometimes things go wrong
The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre and the Kent State massacre,[3][4][5] were the killings of four and wounding of nine other unarmed Kent State University students by the Ohio National Guard on May 4, 1970 in Kent, Ohio, 40 mi (64 km) south of Cleveland. The killings took place during a peace rally opposing the expanding involvement of the Vietnam War into Cambodia by United States military forces

Police in a number of countries may use tear gas, battons and all sorts when demo's don't suite them. Usually described as riots.

 

[charliegolf]

If a million take to the streets, the police will struggle, and maybe decide the wind is changing ...

Would you deny that US public opinion ended the war?

 

[The Samaritan]

The situation in Russia is more like UK WWII. Any sort of pacifist locked up. Media wouldn't dare object but only news papers around really. Various races being deported and other actions.

Sometimes things go wrong
The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre and the Kent State massacre,[3][4][5] were the killings of four and wounding of nine other unarmed Kent State University students by the Ohio National Guard on May 4, 1970 in Kent, Ohio, 40 mi (64 km) south of Cleveland. The killings took place during a peace rally opposing the expanding involvement of the Vietnam War into Cambodia by United States military forces

Police in a number of countries may use tear gas, battons and all sorts when demo's don't suite them. Usually described as riots.

Excellent reminders of historical facts that relate to times of conflict and their reporting.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

While some people claim the right is the left, others claim the left are responsible for the sleazy things done by the right... Summed up nicely here

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This is exactly right. There is no difference between the so-called Labour Party and the so-called Conservative Party. Both need to go. The traditional left versus right way of British politics is a waste of time and money.

Think about that... time and money. For years these charlatans have taken our money and it has all gone to nothing.

 

[JP_]

What or who should replace them?

 

[Deleted member 292770]

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[ajohn]

Would you deny that US public opinion ended the war?

Maybe but also a good dose of could not win it etc and cost in troops. It takes a while for that aspect to get back to where they came from and numbers.

 

[ajohn]

Another base has been cruised. This one has a peace keeping name but is a large training barracks etc and thought to figure in new supplies. It's close to the Polish boarder. Video mixed. Showed a blast damage type attack and some directly at buildings. There are thought to be no foreign troops there now. Announcer mentioned that the roads there are a major route for refugees. Maybe he was like me thinking about the large transporter Biden is currently loading up. Some rather large holes may appear in the roads.

Interesting chat with an army lady in one of the more central towns that is on the refugee route. Footage of 2 missiles being shot down but she reckons their air defences are weakening.

Rather odd announcement. Ukraine has banned the export of fertiliser.

Then comes rockets at USA targets in Iraq. They are not sure where they came from. No damage as result announced but shot shown of an office whose false ceiling was falling down.

Lot of talk on AlJ about the unsolvable mass media problems. Often used by various groups to influence people even by those associated with "good" governments.

 

[transam]

One of the first rules of war / conflict ?? Is control information / news

the USA never got to grips with that in Vietnam

journalists had pretty much complete freedom

ask a helecopter pilot can we hop in and come with you and it was allowed

 

[ajohn]

One of the first rules of war / conflict ?? Is control information / news

They couldn't prevent some pretty terrible photo's from getting out. Actions from both sides. Say a man from the N shooting some one in the head with a revolver or kids injured by napalm. Take or pick and many others. Not much came out of Iraq really. Mostly "good stuff" for us to see.

 

[JP_]

I thought Russia was a huge country with a huge population and a huge army?

why is he scraping the barrel?

Because he is looking at the bigger picture. Ukraine is like Czechoslovakia was in 1938 - just a first step in expanding the empire. He doesn't want to send all his troops to Ukraine, and at the same time, wants to mobilise allies to fight. All part of a larger invasion plan to make Russia great again.

He'll probably "liberate" Kazakhstan and next.

 

[JohnD]

the Conservative Party could never get by without all those multi-million pound donations from Russian Gangsters

sorry I mean Oligarchs

paying to buy influence, visas and honours.

A wedge of cash buys you contacts and (as we all know) government contracts.

 

[transam]

They couldn't prevent some pretty terrible photo's from getting out. Actions from both sides. Say a man from the N shooting some one in the head with a revolver or kids injured by napalm. Take or pick and many others. Not much came out of Iraq really. Mostly "good stuff" for us to see.

what are you talking about

your post shows that the press in Vietnam war could not be controlled

exactly what I said

 

[fillyboy]

 

[transam]

Apocalypse now was that the name of the film

Relevant film title for these times