Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

Bottom line

We are nearing a ceasefire.
As I said a couple of weeks ago several times and trolled by the illiterate trolls, the way forward is
COMPROMISE, and that is a massive fact!!! Thankfully the trolls are shying away from attacking this stance of mine as
they must of heard this on the news etc

Seriously boss, do you see the evil Putin giving up the Crimea and the parts of Donbas the pro-Russian areas held before the war - certainly not
and that is a fact.

Without compromise, they will never be a ceasefire just loads of more bloodshed.

Putin will take his troops out of the remainder of the country but if he really gets angry he may try and hold on to half of it up to that river that runs through Kyiv as Putin is not putting his life on the line so no care whatsoever.
 
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The Humanitarian said:
Bottom line

We are nearing a ceasefire.
As I said a couple of weeks ago several times and trolled by the illiterate trolls, the way forward is
COMPROMISE, and that is a massive fact!!! Thankfully the trolls are shying away from attacking this stance of mine as
they must of heard this on the news etc

Seriously boss, do you see the evil Putin giving up the Crimea and the parts of Donbas the pro-Russian areas held before the war - certainly not
and that is a fact.

Without compromise, they will never be a ceasefire just loads of more bloodshed.

Putin will take his troops out of the remainder of the country but if he really gets angry he may try and hold on to half of it up to that river that runs through Kyiv as Putin is not putting his life on the line so no care whatsoever.
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Your finger on the pulse than :ROFLMAO:


You may eventually get some thing right :LOL:
 
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transam said:
Your finger on the pulse than
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He may be correct about compromise but came up with it .....................:rolleyes: Some one mentioned a factor rather bluntly. Every last person in Ukraine must remain in it irrespective of any other factor. That is why there has been 8 years of fighting with various degrees of ferocity. West in there helping one way or another all of the time. Nothing has changed in that respect.

The title may have been correct initially as well. I mentioned why so wont again.

Sometimes the information human posts is incorrect but suppose that depends on where it come from.
 
ajohn said:
He may be correct about compromise but came up with it .........................
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The title may have been correct initially as well. I mentioned why so wont again.
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Cheers ajo but I knew it all along,

Bottom lines

I blame the west/uk/usa for winding up the changeover in Ukraine to the current leader and winding him up.
I blame putin for the war a war that not even the mass of those in ukraine inc their leaders thought would take place until a couple of hours before the event
As I've posted soon after the start of the war, compromises will have to be made and putin will never give... stated many times before and trolls attacked me for that no in hiding.
 
The Humanitarian said:
I blame the west/uk/usa for winding up the changeover in Ukraine to the current leader and winding him up.
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The counter is Russia supporting people in Donbas in a military sense but without so much involvement in actual fighting as generally gets mentioned.
Putin may just have invaded irrespective of anything else. Much of the run up could be seen as exercising his kit and people before the actual invasion.

Personally I dislike black and white politics that lacks shades of grey. Trouble is that it is often black and white.
 
ajohn said:
The counter is Russia supporting people in Donbas in a military sense but without so much involvement in actual fighting as generally gets mentioned.
Putin may just have invaded irrespective of anything else. Much of the run up could be seen as exercising his kit and people before the actual invasion.

Personally I dislike black and white politics that lacks shades of grey. Trouble is that it is often black and white.
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I'm sure that not even Putin was aware if he was sending his young men in as cannon fodder through the country, east of it or not. I think what tipped Putin
was his old cronies in the armed forces telling him it will be only slightly different to the Crimea.


ATM, Putin is looking for a way out and that is via comprises as stated by me over the weeks and today.

The sooner this is over the better as misunderstanding can take place with our lot over in the sea with others banging on about the "largest joint naval exercise for..." - not needed imo.
 
The Humanitarian said:
I'm sure that not even Putin was aware if he was sending his young men in as cannon fodder through the country, east of it or not. I think what tipped Putin
was his old cronies in the armed forces telling him it will be only slightly different to the Crimea.
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That aspect is one where I can safely assume you are wrong.

Way out - well no one likes this sort of thing going on for ever on both sides ;) not so sure about the fringe elements though.
 
ajohn said:
That aspect is one where I can safely assume you are wrong.

Way out - well no one likes this sort of thing going on for ever on both sides ;) not so sure about the fringe elements though.
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You have no evidence just like I don't for that but how it was played out and the inactions by the leaders of Ukraine leaders
and putin saying what it did makes me comfortable in this stance.

Must dash we've ordered some dinner to be delivered arriving in approx 2 mins
 
The Humanitarian said:
You have no evidence just like I don't for that but how it was played out and the inactions by the leaders of Ukraine leaders
and putin saying what it did makes me comfortable in this stance.

Must dash we've ordered some dinner to be delivered arriving in approx 2 mins
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what

A Russian Salad :ROFLMAO::idea:
 
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