Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

Vinty said:
EU share of world GDP is shrinking rapidly.
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Hey Vinty, the USAs share of global GDP is shrinking at the same rate -so does that mean the USA is failing?

Gee brexers never tire of spouting the same old sh1t


Yes the EUs share of GDP is shrinking -not because the EU is failing in anyway but because emerging markets can achieve exponential growth

The fact is the EU is a global economic superpower with some of the worlds most advanced economies and its on our doorstep with very easy transport links

The EU will continue to be our most important trade partner.


Vinty, when are you going to stop repeating the same old brexit tropes?
 
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The Humanitarian said:
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From the Russian front line via friend of friend

Russian troops moved to gunnery positions from camps. However, he is not sure if there will be fighting
as they've had this move before. Importantly, he had not noted more than a few shells per big gun.
He feels this move is to scare the USA/Ukraine and hopefully no fighting.

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I agree the recent moves have been made to apply greater pressure on Ukraine and isolate them from Europe but i doubt any invasion this month: if i had to place a bet my money would be on March 1st for any military action, starting with a Russian claim of Ukrainian forces attacking civilians in the Donbas.
I still think Putin would rather negotiate an agreement out of the Americans to prevent Ukraine joining NATO and make them sign an Internationally recognised treaty.
An interesting interview with an ex-colonel in charge of Ukraine's nukes where he said they should never have given up their capability in 1994, an agreement that is not internationally recognised. This stand-off only encourages Iran to get them and N.Korea to hold on to them, as it's clear any country without nuclear capability or a strong alliance is vulnerable to an aggressive neighbour.
It's to be hoped France and Germany can mediate something between America and Russia or an armed conflict seems unavoidable.
 
Vinty said:
The future lies in trade with emerging economies of the Asia and Africa
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No, the future lies with improving trade with our closest trade partner

the EU is and has been expanding into the emerging markets of Asia and Africa, EU membership is not a barrier.


Hey Vinty guess what: Asia and Africa want to trade more with the EU than the UK...because guess which is their bigger market.
 
Breaking

A friend of a friend has advised me as I've said all along from the inception of this thread, there will be NO War, fact
Other than a possibility of flagless separatists from Russia aiding those in Dombas to take over like Crimea.

The message was they were sent to the gunnery positions on the front line last night and hardly any shells to fire. Then a couple of hours later not only were they told to return to camp but their bases in Russia over the next few days.

This fisaco would have never have reached this stage had it not been for the usa and uk citing so-called unnamed sources possibly the smae sources that told them about WMD's.
 
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The Humanitarian said:
A friend of a friend has advised me as I've said all along from the inception of this thread, there will be NO War, fact
Other than a possibility of flagless separatists from Russia aiding those in Dombas to take over like Crimea.
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I've said since the 19th January (the first thread on this topic) that no Western nation will send troops to fight against Russia. However, there could easily be a renewed conflict as Russia tries to take the two Eastern regions and you appear to agree in the latter part of that statement.

Interesting that the announcement of a limited troop withdrawal was timed ten minutes before the German Chancellor arrived in Russia.

PS, genuinely interested to know about the "friend of a friend" -- are they connected to or employed by the Ukraine government or military?
 
cwhaley said:
I've said since the 19th January (the first thread on this topic) that no Western nation will send troops to fight against Russia. However, there could easily be a renewed conflict as Russia tries to take the two Eastern regions and you appear to agree in the latter part of that statement.

Interesting that the announcement of a limited troop withdrawal was timed ten minutes before the German Chancellor arrived in Russia.

PS, genuinely interested to know about the "friend of a friend" -- are they connected to or employed by the Ukraine government or military?
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The bottom line i there was never going to be a full invasion as that would cost a lot of lives on the Russian side and the ongoing gorilla war following that and ramifications with the rest of the world

Putin was bluffing, caught with his pants down and people in Russia and here feel he has not taken Dombas where over 80% support Russia is Putin is fearful of losing the billions that he has invested in the uk, eu and usa.

I've said it all along and as per the title of this thread it is not Russia/putin that wanted this war putin is a bully and looking at Dombas and a bloodless coup
like the Crimea.

The poor people of Ukraine on the front line have been suffering since 2014 and this crap needs to end once and for all.

Th UK etc would have never sent in troops other than build up on the number of "advisors"

From my understanding, there was never the armament/shells/missiles on the front line for a full invasion and no one wants to take out the infrastructure via aerial bombing and run any country into the ground like the usa done in certain countries with the help of the usa. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan all cesspits now thanks to the west helped by uSA.

Putin has made Russia a lol stock and is a stain on the country as is Boris

I hope there is no war and Putin is forced by his genrals to move back all troops
 
Notch7 said:
the EUs share of GDP is shrinking -not because the EU is failing in anyway but because emerging markets can achieve exponential growth
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That is the point.

As these economies grow the EU share of world trade will shrink
That means UK trade with the EU will no longer be as important as it was previously.
Brexit allows the UK to reorientate its trade towards the faster growing non EU economies , this means sooner rather than later the non Euro world will replace the EU as the UKs number 1 trade partner.
 
You are fantasising, vinty.

Or did you read that nonsense on one of your anti-EU websites?
 
OddsBodkin said:
I still think Putin would rather negotiate an agreement out of the Americans to prevent Ukraine joining NATO and make them sign an Internationally recognised treaty.
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I agree - it's the fear of western encroachment via NATO that scares the Russions. Something closer to the Finland situation seems the most sensible.

It's easy to forget now that the Allies signed an agreement with Russia at Yalta in 1945 recognising the extent of the Russian sphere of influence. None of the participants had the slightest doubts then that the Crimea and the Ukraine were indubitably Russian - the Agreement covered areas a lot further to the west.
Seen from a Russian point of view we are now appearing to reneague on that agreement, hence fuelling their centuries-old suspicions of encirclement by potential enemies. Furthermore we are weakening not strengthening NATO by continued enrolment of new countries, and casting in doubt the NATO tenet of "an atack on one is an attack on all". It's a repeat of the Czeckoslovakia catastrophy - we gave a veiled assurance of support, and then failed to honour it.
 
JohnD said:
Your link falsely claims that "What’s left unsaid is that Russia has not invaded any country since the dissolution of the Soviet Union

However Russia has already invaded and annexed parts of Georgia and Ukraine, and shows every sign of continuing.

Who can blame Ukraine for objecting?
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yep they have taken back a couple of areas not entire countries which they have stretched the point with .
 
clifford1 said:
I agree - it's the fear of western encroachment via NATO that scares the Russions.
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No, it's the fear of Russian encroachment that terrifies the nations of Eastern Europe that spent 45 years or more as vassal states of the Soviet Empire, which Putin now seeks to recreate.
 
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