Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

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JohnD said:
How do you join the EU?

If you want to, your country applies, and has to agree to the rules collectively made by the members (of which your country will become one)

How do you join the Russian Empire?

They invade you.
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What happens when potential members of the EU decide they don't want to accept the EU offer of membership.
The EU made Ukraine an offer it couldn't refuse and when it refused?

https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/eu-arrogance-with-russia-and-northern-ireland/
 
As per my thread title and as reported by me last night Putin does not want a war its the usa/uk. Therefore Putin is ready for more talks a sure sign of possible peace. However, until the areas around the border of Russia/Dombas/lunkan i think its called are fully handed over to the 80% plus Russian speaking supporting people there will be trouble on and off there. I hope its all sorted soon and I can see Russian forces heading back home this week as they can't afford to ship the fuel, food etc to support the 190k off troops on Ukraine's border and they are suffering in the cold weather.
 
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The Humanitarian said:
As per my thread title and as reported by me last night Putin does not want a war its the usa/uk. Therefore Putin is ready for more talks a sure sign of possible peace. However, until the areas around the border of Russia/Dombas/lunkan i think its called are fully handed over to the 80% plus Russian speaking supporting people there will be trouble on and off there. I hope its all sorted soon and I can see Russian forces heading back home this week as they can't afford to ship the fuel, food etc to support the 190k off troops on Ukraine's border and they are suffering in the cold weather.
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US and UK are not proposing war with Russia.

Russia is continuing its invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

Your suggested solution is that Ukraine should surrender.
 
Vinty said:
What happens when potential members of the EU decide they don't want to accept the EU offer of membership.
The EU made Ukraine an offer it couldn't refuse and when it refused?

https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/eu-arrogance-with-russia-and-northern-ireland/
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A Prof spouting rubbish and missing a number of points.

One thing is completely missing. Prior to 1991 the EU had a boarder with "Russia". Closeness meant that there was far more trading between them than say Russia with the USA. After the collapse which is more like the UK ditching it's empire really trading has continued. ;) Russia even started a common wealth. Some satellite states did better than others. Ukraine was expected to do well but didn't. Corruption probably figures. A problem they still seem to have. They used the IMF and had problems. Documented go read it. IMF loans come with conditions.

Along comes 2014 and right wing nationalists manage to stir up riots and take over government buildings all over the place. Failing in some areas. They have been fanning the population ever since. The end result has similar features to NI. ;) Or so we are told anyway. What probably kicked it off. Money and loans. Russia's terms would be entirely different to the IMF. Where will their imports have come from - mostly Russia. Where do spares come from - Russia. Neither money options really get around all structural problems.

So your an ailing country why join the EU. It's pretty simple really you pay in X% of GDP and get money back that can be spent in certain areas. The return can be greater than what is put in. :ROFLMAO: It's called levelling up. The country also gets what was called the common market. They can also have a new currency which is likely to be more stable than their own in some cases due to the shear number of people who use it. Some countries may turn into a Greece over time. They will be expected and even forced to fix it. They may get EU aid to help.Bit like the IMF.

Why let countries in. Bigger market when and if they develop. People can figure too. All nations have jobs that nationals don't want. People from higher unemployment areas tend to fill them. The UK's current answer to that is to make unemployment as unattractive as possible even to the extent of expecting charities to help. Businesses can also feel that no local people can do a job. Rather than train import some that can. It's cheaper.

The problem with levelling up is jobs. Pay ranges and numbers of jobs at these pay levels need to even up as well. Tricky to say the least. In the EU one aspect is that the people who live in some area must earn enough to buy stuff. Some may start producing their own stuff eventually. Even better. The tariffs are intended to help with that.
 
The pretence of Russian evacuation of a few days ago is now seen as fact. They feel Ukraine is going to invade the self declared republic shortly. The Ukraine side has moved heavier stuff into populated areas. :) Maybe there will be talks if they withdraw them but not before they do. I can recollect some one or the other saying similar so maybe Putin will too.

There have been comments that bangs in the republic are just explosions let off locally.

Odd one from the USA. Sincere look on the announcers face that seemed a touch odd, probably lack of practice. Biden does want talks. Sounded like a Summit may have been mentioned. According to the BBC - Putin's view unclear.

I'm wondering what sort of deal the EU may be trying to cook up. Also struck me that once in they have to have hard boarders.
 
Putin will take the Dombas and another area well what's left of it as its over 80% pro Russian.
Then he will discuss having won what he set out to do but it was not to take the whole of Ukraine
Nest step to put a putin puppet as a leader in Ukraine.

The baseless intel by the usa has made it a lol stock
 
historically the russian army has always preffered to invade places they can loot , countries that are worth looting .

They wont be happy invading the Ukraine as technically most of the lootable gear in the Ukraine was made in Russia any way

blimey if they had anything holding there ears apart they would have let or wait till the Ukraine joined the EU wait a while

and than invade ;)
 
Putin has declared the Ukrainians states on its border as "independent" according to my source. This news will become official within 2 hours.

This does not mean Russian troops will try and take bits not under its control atm

Russian commanders/leaders are leaving their troops and some troops going back home as they refuse to attack Ukraine as they see them as Russian brothers.

As predicted by me there will be no major conflict and nothing more than what has been going on for almost 9 years, thankfully.


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