Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

JohnD said:
https://www.ft.com/content/b87f2d29-7bec-40c8-9f7a-0ee9fab5ff9f

"Why should Putin care about Ukraine’s non-military political choices? The logic is easy enough to explain. It is impossible to have economic integration with both the EU and Russia; a country has to choose.

But choosing the EU also means — at least in principle and in due time — rejecting the corrupt and autocratic governance that characterises Russia and that it would serve Putin for Ukraine to retain."

"German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock put it with perfect clarity this morning: “This war is intended to destroy one thing — Ukrainians’ hope that after decades of unfreedom they have a right to democracy, a right to peace and to a better future without oppression.” Let there be no doubt that Putin’s war is a punishment for Ukraine’s desire to be a European country living by the values the EU was built to protect. That is what we must defend."
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It's all very well posting things like that but political distortions will always figure who ever is quoted. We here only know what we are told that can not be judged without info we don't have.Values the EU was built to protect - primarily a growing market that is protected in part from freemarket idealism. ;) That makes it unpopular with some. It's eventual aim politically to set itself up as the USA is, president and senate etc. ;) Given politicians the aim may make a lot of sense but achieving it is likely to be tricky.
 
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ajohn said:
It's eventual aim
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it is not alive. It is composed of, and run by, representives from its constituent governments, and members elected by the citizens of its constituent nations.

Obviously that excludes UK, who gave up its right to a voice and a vote.
 
Putin will not attempt to attack any nato member

the next potential big ?? Crisis will be or could be Taiwan and the Chinese ;)
 
NATO having a meeting today

Chatter is about providing "air support"

This is not a third world country like Afghanistan, libya. iraq etc Russian snake had made a clear and present direct threat to anyone interfering directly.

As far as I am concenred and polls I've seen I do not want boots on the ground or our troops flying to give cover or even supply arms, meds etc unless agreed with Russsia

Our clown the west and impotent Biden put us in this position and we must leave it as it is or just supply more arms they pick them up.

We should shore up defences, and hit putins pocket which we still not have and not pander this clwon and use media more massively to help undermine
this evil man. In part, I do blame NATO for being weak and winding up this snake and not having the ability to clam him down without a nuclear war

FYI - the mjority of russians may be fed up with him and did not want to see people killed on both sides.
 
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Nato will not get directly involved in the Ukraine conflict

;)

they can chatter all they like and that is all it will be
 
transam said:
Nato will not get directly involved in the Ukraine conflict

;)

they can chatter all they like and that is all it will be
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Let us hope not.

IMO I see nuclear weapons as a deterent EG USA would have never have dropped the 2 nukes on the people of Japan if they too had nukes

Recent exmaples - India was set to teach Pakistan a lesson over Kashmir but Pakistant tested several nukes and India backed off

Right now, the only reason NATO led by the UK not hitting back - fear of nukes on us. So it works

However, having an unhinged or more likley evil man like putin make you think.

My only hope is people of russia inc the military overthrow this trouble maker
 
If Putin attacks a nato country

than it will be a world war when Americans and Russians start shooting at one another

that is why nato cannot get directly involved in Ukraine

Putin is not deranged ;)
 
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Vinty said:
Where does Boris find people like her.
She thought the Baltic states were on the Black sea.
She then said to the Russian negotiator Lavrov that Britain would never recognise Russian sovereignty over Rostov, someone had to remind her that Rostov is in Russia and not UKraine.

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I looked at foreign ministers as I am not sure what system Russia uses. China for instance is said to use technocrats Specialists that are there due to there expertise not because they are woolly haired, fat faces people who abseil of buildings waving a flag to get elected taking money from all sorts to help. Lavrov is a diplomat so in our terms may be a civil servant. He also speaks several languages as Putin does. ;) Handy in negotiations as they can hear what is being said without the earphones on.

;) Blinken has a strategic background. Surprise surprise.
 
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OddsBodkin said:
It looks like a star shell, similar to the markers laid down by Pathfinder bombers in WW2 but i'd assume technology has moved on a bit since then so your guess is as good as mine.
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yes, I was told sometime ago that it was just battlefield illumination, although the ones I have seen seem to stay in the sky longer. (maybe ours are just better, we could sell them some)
 
Munroast said:
yes, I was told sometime ago that it was just battlefield illumination, although the ones I have seen seem to stay in the sky longer. (maybe ours are just better, we could sell them some)
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Perhaps we're still using old fashioned parachute flares?:D
 
it does not have the pure white of magnesium, and is not coming down on a parachute. There are smaller fragments coming down as well as the main fireball.

there seems to have been an explosion above

I think it might be some flying object that has been hit, such as a cruise missile.
 
The Humanitarian said:
However, having an unhinged or more likley evil man like putin make you think.
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An extract for you

During his first tenure as president, the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, with GDP measured by purchasing power increasing by 72%, real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly.[10] The growth was a result of a fivefold increase in the price of oil and gas, which constitute the majority of Russian exports, recovery from the post-communist depression and financial crises, a rise in foreign investment,[11] and prudent economic and fiscal policies.

Not to mention crime etc problems. Interesting. Oil prices are thought to relate to the collapse of the Soviet and the five fold increase needs looking into in detail over a period of time.
 
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