Speed limit

[carmanmemoranda]

I don’t like cruising alongside other vehicles, so speed up to make a clear space even if it means going over the limit for a while.

I don’t know the current rules on undertaking but this seems to happen constantly on the M25, maybe as a result of variable speed limits

There are often signs that say "congestion, stay in lane" when inside lanes are progressing better than outside lanes.

The issue, to me, is those that weave in and out of lanes to gain a few hundred yards, at most

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Just ignore them

I appreciate some can maybe do this, however I find it near impossible to ignore a vehicle that's literally a few feet from mine, even more so at night. And more to the point, why should I have to 'just ignore' someone who's either trying to force me to speed up and/or doesn't have a clue just how dangerous their driving is? These people are ignorant, thick or both. What do they think is going to happen if I need to slam my brakes on?

Is it any wonder we read these tragic stories involving multiple vehicle pile-ups on motorways? The way folk seem to drive in convoy with nowhere near enough distance between beggars belief.

 

[motorbiking]

I don’t like cruising alongside other vehicles, so speed up to make a clear space even if it means going over the limit for a while.

I don’t know the current rules on undertaking but this seems to happen constantly on the M25, maybe as a result of variable speed limits

The legal bit:
- moving to the inside of a vehicle in order to pass them is an example careless/inconsiderate driving. However, there is no specific offence and there is no requirement for it to cause another a problem.

If you happen to be in the inside lane and going faster than a car in an outer lane, then that is ok.

General good practice:
what brigadier said. as a rough guide, if you can spend more than 10 seconds in that lane, before needing to pass the next car, you should pull over. If someone was on say an advanced driving test and they stuck to the inside like glue for periods of only a few seconds hopping traffic, then they'd probably fail as would someone who hung out for more than say 15s without good reason (e.g. nothing behind and better visibility).

Some vehicles do struggle with stability in the first lane due to the wear caused by HGVs.

 

[noseall]

what happens is an accident and getting prosecuted for driving without due care

Correct. Running into the back of someone is a stupid and avoidable thing to do. Tail-gaiters are ignorant morons.

Play "fastest foot first"....

You jam on the brakes and see what happens!

My Bro' fiddles with his rear view mirror first, so as to distract the tail-gaiter, then presses the brake pedal. Blue smoke and a glowing red driver.

 

[motorbiking]

and if you killed them, as a result of brake checking them, you'd go to prison. Not to mention the risk that they follow you home and set fire to your house while you sleep. Road rage causes rational people to do stupid things.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

and if you killed them, as a result of brake checking them, you'd go to prison. Not to mention the risk that they follow you home and set fire to your house while you sleep. Road rage causes rational people to do stupid things.

Let's assume a vehicle is going along at a reasonable speed for the road and conditions and is being tailgated. Who do you say is in the wrong in this scenario, the driver of the vehicle in front or the tailgater? Or do you think tailgating is acceptable i.e. they should both just mind their own business?

I agree with you in that literally slamming on your brakes in these scenarios is a stupid thing to do for the reasons you mention and more. However, if someone is being tailgated and the road/traffic flow doesn't allow for them to pull over, what are they supposed to do to remove themselves from the situation? These days if someone tailgates me and the road allows, I simply pull over to let them go on their way ... usually I see them then settle on the bumper of the next vehicle ahead.

Muppets.

 

[motorbiking]

If you have nothing in front of you, there is no real issue. If you have vehicles in front of you then add the stopping distance they haven't left, to yours by gradually increasing the gap. That way you avoid getting rear ended in the event the car in front of you has to stop suddenly.

The problem with the human brain is its fast reaction part (the amygdala) struggles to assess near danger and danger, so a brake checker, can trigger a fight reaction. it will usually lead to escalation and rarely result in the person dropping back.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

If you have nothing in front of you, there is no real issue. If you have vehicles in front of you then add the stopping distance they haven't left, to yours by gradually increasing the gap. That way you avoid getting rear ended in the event the car in front of you has to stop suddenly.

The problem with the human brain is its fast reaction part (the amygdala) struggles to assess near danger and danger, so a brake checker, can trigger a fight reaction. it will usually lead to escalation and rarely result in the person dropping back.

Sorry I 100% disagree with this. It always makes me laugh when you see a car e.g. going in the opposite direction with nothing in front of it and nothing behind, completely empty road ... except for one solitary car that's decided to settle a dozen feet from its rear bumper.

Just settle another 15-20 feet further back to avoid any possible tension with the car in front. It's hardly rocket science.

 

[motorbiking]

Again, your mistake is to think you can control their vehicle as well as your own. All you can do is assess the danger and mitigate. No amount of dabbing the brakes or waving a fist in the mirror is going to result in them dropping back. It may result in you having a crash because you focused on them.

 

[foxhole]

Speed camera are not set at a speed , they are video and capable of recording every vehicles speed , so down to what speed is deemed chargeable .

 

[securespark]

I remember once being on the M40. The guy behind me was flashing his lights and waving both arms around. The reason I couldn't make progress was due to the bloke in front of me.

I pulled over. He passed and I pulled back into the lane. He did the same "inches from the bumper, waving arms and flashing lights routine" that he did to me. A couple of minutes later, the guy in front pulled over. Bumper hugger raised both arms above his head and clapped furiously...

 

[motorbiking]

In the past it wasn't unknown for unmarked traffic cops to do a bit of tail gating to get people to speed up/race, if they were under quota or needed to pot the colour of car you were driving.

 

[blup]

No such things as 10% leeway or any other for that matter, if you are over the limit you risk a speeding fine etc.

Blup

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If you have nothing in front of you, there is no real issue. If you have vehicles in front of you then add the stopping distance they haven't left, to yours by gradually increasing the gap. That way you avoid getting rear ended in the event the car in front of you has to stop suddenly.

The problem with the human brain is its fast reaction part (the amygdala) struggles to assess near danger and danger, so a brake checker, can trigger a fight reaction. it will usually lead to escalation and rarely result in the person dropping back.

So you should go faster, and faster to creste a gap and keep it? Rubbish. Poor driving and reasoning by any standards.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Sorry I 100% disagree with this.

Me too