Stock market dealing

The funny thing is, I do actually make money gambling on sports. Bookies are always closing my accounts down. That's what draws me to this. My sports betting is just arbitraging, not based on any knowledge of the sports in question. But with the financial markets I don't have arbitrage opportunities, so I end up trading based on fundamentals. And it doesn't work. And it seems to me that that's how people make money on the financial markets - not on forming an educated assessment based on all the relevant factors, but on testing and testing for numerical patterns that repeat in the markets. It must be very computationally intensive, and also very boring.

What are these 10+% bonds anyway?
How do you do the sports thing? £:1 on City and 3:1 on United?

The "carry trade" is arbitrage. I don't know how the mechanics work, eg how do I borrow money in Japan?

INvesting in fundamantals probably works over the long term, as long as you take everything else into account as well. It's the Warren B approach after all.

Early on I think you said Technical analysis (chart patterns) wasn't something you used. It definitely does work, though. Michael Nauss of Trade Ideas/Statsedge Trading is always saying he doesn't know what companies do, he ONLY uses chart patterns and price action. Range trading, trend/momentum trading and using levels is nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the company.
MN doesn't even look at catalysts, Accumulation /distribution are really useful but nothing to do with the company.
He predicted the rise the other day of around 7% rise in Natural Gas, perely from charts.

He was "bullishon gold" way beack when yo expected the change by teaa time, but we're seeing it now. His Cup and Handle structure is years long, and we're getting the outcome now.
It becomes self-fulfilling, quite often.

If your aim is to make money, it's not boring. Taking 5 figures to 7 isn't boring. Football teams are boring as hell to me.

"What are these 10+% bonds anyway?"
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Look at a screener!
There's one a few posts back, the orange line, 28% in a year.. Look at Convertible bonds - many have given over 20% overall.
Vanguard USD Corp Bond is up 7+% since May.
They do vary, you do have to use some thinking.
 
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Arbitrage between bookmakers and betting exchanges. It takes some time to find the arbitrage opportunities, but they do arise. As I said, I don't know anything about football teams.

Yes, MN was right on gold, although I don't really trust him with his fake window background that he places in his videos.

I suppose I should be looking at things longer term. But that's the antithesis of what tradertv does, so watching that was not helpful at all.

You're being disingenuous about bonds. You're saying to just put money into a 10% bond, like a savings bond. But no such bond exists. What you mean is that I should have put the money into bonds, which have done well this year as interest rates have been declining. You seem to want to make it sound much easier than it is.
 
You're being disingenuous about bonds.
No, you're choosing to misunderstand, again.

You're saying to just put money into a 10% bond, like a savings bond.
No I'm not, you made that up. I wrote nothing about "savings". Would you stop lying about what I said please?
If you don't know what a bond is, go to Investopedia.
You seem to want to make it sound much easier than it is.

Go to a fund screener.
Type in "bond". Pick one which has been running at a decent rate.
Poke around the similarly named ones. Sometimes they have other words in, like Corporate, or Strategic, or Active, or Dynamic, Fund..
How much easier do you want it?
I have already given names of such things which have been running long enough. You asked a couple of posts ago and I referred you to one a couple of posts before that.
What's the problem -it doesn't have a name which I never mentioned but you thought it might have done????

Yet another one you can find - but you need to do your own homework. That way you're less likely to say something wrong about it just to call me a liar again.
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25% pa for 18 months looks respectable wouldn't you say?
Where's the disingenuous?
Why the accusation? Again?
Are you going to complain that if you'd bought in at Oct 1st 2023 it would have been flat for a bit? Dang, only 28% since then...

Lots of boring things beat 10%. S & P 500 Utilities sector. 22% or something, more if you use something else while it's retracing.

Insurance. Boring boring.
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Work out 19.11/11.
OK you're lazy , it's 73.7% in a year.
Sell at the top pinky line and buy again on red, or green. Buy more at black.
If you want, buy when it has left pink but is going north again.
While you're waiting, switch to the previous chart.
Doing that gets you over 100% because you get tmost of the rises and few of the dips.

Presumably ever since the Chinese said they were going to rearrange things you're up a lot.
I was a bit late, buying kwe3 at about 19 rather than say 16 when I should have but it's at 42 now.
Note volume is reduced so it'll slow down, be ready for a reverse.
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All eyes East. China market has risen so much there's scepticism, but their futures are up, so I'm hlding a big lump there.
Gold slipping, maybe only until Israel bombs Iran...
Tesco going to rocket, again. Sainsbury's will be pulled up with it....
 
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It's always a bad time of year so just take the 20% pa sort of bond.
This is what you said. There are no bonds paying that, except maybe junk ones. There are funds investing in bonds that have done that well over the last year, but that is something different. I can't see those on IG. All I can see there are bond futures, for which the charts only go back about a month. They have all been coming down in the last two weeks. So let's suppose I take my money out of my savings account at 5% and put it into Man GLG Sterling Corporate Bond Fund Professional Acc C which is currently at 126.6. Never mind that I'm sure it would take me quite a bit of time to get it all set up and the funds transferred. Let's see how it is at the end of the year.
 
There are no bonds paying that, except maybe junk ones.

I cited one.
I said bonds, not savings or anything other type.
The are not "someting different", because I only said bonds, which as I said also go under other names.
Just because your preconception is wrong, doesn't make me wrong, does it?
Any you choose are your responsibility to investigate.
You need to find out for yourself, especially with things like Convertible bonds.
"Junk" bonds, anyway, aren't necessarily terrible things at all, they're just loans to other than governments etc. They're graded.
Nothing to do with savings bonds which you said I said. More stable than shares, very often.

You can judge their performance reliability from the history. If they've been good enough for the last 3,6,12 18 or whatever months, you have a guide.
I wouldn't expect a great range on IG.
Try IE.

For dog's sake stop attacking and trying to nit pick what I write. If I say there are bonds paying 20% then there ARE. I show you a graph of one which is pretty smooth for 18 months, over 25% and you're still carping.

You'll have to find that one yourself because though I find it ok, if you use it you'll find something to moan about and blame me!
I use another one with it, same rate for the last 9 months or so. Oddly, many go flat in the first weeks of October.
A few minutes googling will find a sector which usually does better.

Never mind that I'm sure it would take me quite a bit of time to get it all set up and the funds transferred.
Quite a lot of minutes, sure.
 
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There's a pattern here. Arbu
I say something which is true. Oh the whole, I know enough about something I say, to say it. Like most people.
You don't know what you're talking about, so you say I'm wrong, or being "disingenuous", and state or imply I said something different, or you (deliberately) change or extend what I said.
Then you criticise based on that.
You've done it multiple times, even acting on what you've made up and losing money so you can play the victim and blame me.
See?
 
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Someone the other day said they thought Copper would triple in price in the next couple of years. Interesting thought.

Not that I'm giving investing advice, but China is to announce some more economy boosts (bonds mostly) this weekend.
Edit - looked further and didn't trade China. I already have a bit.

I guess folks can be sensitive where money is at risk or has been lost.

I find both @Justin Passing and @Arbu have interesting contributions. I hope the friendly exchanges continue…
One of the major impediments in trading is the ego/psyche.
If you let it affect your reasoning, you will lose.
If you p155 off someone from whom you can learn, it's counterproductive. Most people react to that by blanking, which I haven't done.

If you can't stop to think what's really going on in your head - mindfulness if you like, don't try trading.
Our friend @Arbu has a serious problem with this. Proves he's human, but he'll never get anywere until he can deal with those "automatic" human reactions. (c.f. "Cognitive therapy"). You have to be honest with yourself even if it hurts. (A lot of forum members have a problem with that.)
 
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"Follow the Vomiting Camel."

That was so weird i had to g00gle and, to my total relief, found it wasn't as appalling as it sounds...


Bulls; bears, and queasy camels: whatever next? :cautious:
 
Yep, there's a bullshyte and bearshyte in pattern analysis. People see the things they want to see.
However, there's a e.g. guy who's very good (genuinely) at analysing patterns with the volumes traded and how the markets (for which these days, read "the bots" react. MIchael Nauss of Statsedge Trading. He's written algorithms and been adjusting them for a long time backtesting them over past decades. (He's a "Chartered Market Technician". Read in to that whatyou will, but it's pretty rigorous.) The patterns do repeat, and therefore predict with high statistical significance, what happens next.
He sells his predictions, but gives one a week free. Recently I watched one which ran over a couple of days. Petfood supplier, ticker $WOOF. He was spot on. It was on his X feed on a Thursday or Friday) I bought a whole $100 short when he said it would fall, and it did, about 5%. I don't remember one of his favourite calls going wrong. They are slowish - a few days is typical, so if they head in the wrong direction you can abort.
5% may not sound like a fortune, but 5% a week is over 1200% in a year.
I could point to folk who use very complex thinking and win a lot more than I ever will. I'm not in their league so I stick to simple stuff. The simple stuff may be lower % return, but it works well enough for me.

A simple thing I've used dozens of times and explained here many times, happened again yesterday:
There are half a dozen companies linked to the bitcoin price, with positive correlations overall.
You might think Bitcoin is a pointless thing, and I might agree, but it exists and you can use it. It's driven by sentiment mostly, which waxes and wanes. Analysts are saying they think the price will go up. That's enough for the price to go up.
So I don't do anything pre-emptive, mostly, but watch the pointers which exist.

Then if BTC does go up, see if the acolytes are doing the same. Usually one or two refuse and one or two are enthusiastic.
One such is Microstrategy, ticker $MSTR, I've described using, here, many times (but not as much as $MARA).
[There is also a UK based ETF called LMI3 whose daily change is 3x $MSTR day % change. MSTR up 2% means LMI3 up 6%. Don''t go anywhere near it if you don't fully understand what can happen. Of which more later.*]

So Bitcoin BTC and $MSTR yesterday.
Points to notice:
1) Bitcoin is moving up, as expected, in the premarket. That's a sign with high % reliability for a usable follow-on
2) MSTR is also creeping up in the premarket.
3) Usually, the acolytes such as $MSTR go up much faster than bitcoin. $MSTR is often the fastest at least for a while, but the "spread" is much wider than say $MARA. (Google "Spread" if necessary),
4) Often, there's a jump at the official market open time, when the big volumes come in. Many platforms allow trading in the premarket. $COIN is available to trade for me for more hours before and after market hours, showing similar but slower trends. I used that quickly but don't want to overcomplicate the description)
So I bought $MSTR let's say AT the market open.
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The "11" means the start of the 11th October, but the time scales differ after that.
Vertical dashed blue line is 14:30 for BTC, 00:00 and 14:30 for MSTR.

BTC is always "open" so you can see what it's doing - rising.
The US market opens at 14:30 but that MSTR chart doesn't show before that (ie any between midnight and 14:30), this one does:
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yes that counts as rising , on low volume.

Outcome - BTC rose about 4.5% on the day.
MSTR rose as the blue box says, about 14.5%.
Any "CFD" trading platform allows you a leverage of 5x, which applies to gains and losses.
So my investment rose 5 x 14.5 = 72.5%.
So £1000 rose £750
£100k rose £75k, less tax which if KS does what we expect, will leave 41k.
(If you use a Spread Betting platform, you may or may not pay tax. Likely to, in future)

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Back to that LMI3 fund.
You can't use LMI3 in a CFD account.
You can't use CFD in an ISA.
But you CAN use leveraged funds (there are dozens) such as that LMI3, in some ISAs.
But you can't trade it after 16:30 when the UK market closes. You can leave it, but you may have a nasty shock the next day.

So in an isa you'd have
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That one is riskier because the spread is 2% and it can bite.. Try it in a simulator some time and you'll see after a few experiences. I don't just let it run. I'm twitchy, which affords some protection but reduces the gain - I got 22% which is OK. Tax free though.

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Do I get losses - yes of course.
The most annoying are when I make a mistake - "fat finger".
The biggest in the last month was 4%.
Some gains were only a couple of %.
Many days are "flat", so nothing moving. Better to watch Bloomberg or some pundit's thoughts, or keep looking for Funds which are doing well. I go through all the "wealth managers'" scanners to see what's doing well consistently.


Biggest loss ever was 30% through a combination of factors, That's why I only use winnings.
I have had no losses on trades like the one described, though.
 
Thought of @kingandy2nd who expressed a wish to dabble.
I mentioned this one a while back.
First find yourself something which is rising at a good rate over the past 12,6,3,1 month periods.
TradingView is good, as is Finviz. Hargreaves Lansdown is good for Brits but good stocks are rare here. RR and MKS are worth looking at, and there's a host of builders if Sir Kier gets going. You have the 0.5% tax but no Exchange loss - it depends on your broker whether the latter is an issue or not, many have $US accounts you can hold.

This one's 75% in the 12 months I think. Oops forgot the chart...
But look there's a decent "Range" in a channel. The range is probably fading now, but you see what I mean. It's boring old Insurance, but the return isn't boring. I'm in my second bottom-up swing.
If you bought near the lower line and sold near the top, you'd have pretty spectacular results.
The vertical lines are one day each, so no frantic rush with this sort of thing.

Right now the Russel 2000 (US smaller stocks) and the Biotech sector XBI look attractive. Your broker may only have Health, or Pharmaceuticals, which aren't specific enough. VBK looks ok (Vanguard). If you look into the fund's description you find extra detail. Many of those 2000 aren't making any money. Managers like "abrdn" often have an "enhanced" version, or others have "opportunities" which try a bit harder to exclude the zombies!
 
Thought of @kingandy2nd who expressed a wish to dabble.
I mentioned this one a while back.
First find yourself something which is rising at a good rate over the past 12,6,3,1 month periods.
TradingView is good, as is Finviz. Hargreaves Lansdown is good for Brits but good stocks are rare here. RR and MKS are worth looking at, and there's a host of builders if Sir Kier gets going. You have the 0.5% tax but no Exchange loss - it depends on your broker whether the latter is an issue or not, many have $US accounts you can hold.

This one's 75% in the 12 months I think. Oops forgot the chart...
But look there's a decent "Range" in a channel. The range is probably fading now, but you see what I mean. It's boring old Insurance, but the return isn't boring. I'm in my second bottom-up swing.
If you bought near the lower line and sold near the top, you'd have pretty spectacular results.
The vertical lines are one day each, so no frantic rush with this sort of thing.

Right now the Russel 2000 (US smaller stocks) and the Biotech sector XBI look attractive. Your broker may only have Health, or Pharmaceuticals, which aren't specific enough. VBK looks ok (Vanguard). If you look into the fund's description you find extra detail. Many of those 2000 aren't making any money. Managers like "abrdn" often have an "enhanced" version, or others have "opportunities" which try a bit harder to exclude the zombies!
Thanks JP.

Not sure if your previous post should have had a picture/ chart on it.

I’ve signed up to TradingView, but really need to sit down and understand in detail what all the candles, etc mean. Finding the time is the tricky thing for me!
 
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