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[skyboy]

So is Skyboy saying a stolen car in an armed robbery should not be perused?

Yes I think you should have a little think about it..

But seriously you have made a good point and it follows my reasoning.

Armed robbery - fine go for it...and with my blessing..

But a simple case of a stolen car...

NO it should be an insurance claim pure and simple.

Chasing them will only create a bigger chance of a serious accident and remember as the car is stolen it will therefore be uninsured!!!

 

[alumni]

I don't race clios???

Really?

I suppose you only tell the absolute truth too eh?

 

[pred]

The proof as you put it is here in Bristol where police are banned from chaseing motorbikes, i think this was largely due to an incident that took place here in the mid 80s.

Was that the helmet less one? Or the one who crossed the Armco?
Soon you can drown.........................sorry you can now and be watched without assistance. Firefighters are not allowed to fit smoke alarms now if you have smoked a cigarette in your house before they arrive. What would happen if there was a fire???????????

From Blaise down through Hanam towards Avonmouth.

 

[AssociatedAlarms]

I don't race clios???
Oh yes racing drivers do crash of course because the whole point of racing is going to your absolute limit..
However a racing driver driving at 9/10ths will be in a safety zone and still faster than anyone not professionally trained.

Ahh, getting the hang of this here now.

So how are racing drivers professionally trained? The few I know did track days and karting from early ages. As well as bikes. I do track days on bikes, the only dangers are over confidence or novices. We have no zebra crossings, mothers using prams as instant stop devices. Ice Cream vans.
I agree on the safety zone, we are all going in the same direction.

 

[alumni]

So is Skyboy saying a stolen car in an armed robbery should not be perused?

Yes I think you should have a little think about it..

But seriously you have made a good point and it follows my reasoning.

Armed robbery - fine go for it...and with my blessing..

But a simple case of a stolen car...

NO it should be an insurance claim pure and simple.

Chasing them will only create a bigger chance of a serious accident and remember as the car is stolen it will therefore be uninsured!!!

So, unless they see the 'theft' taking place, how are the police to differentiate whether the car is merly stolen or is part of a more substantial crime?

 

[skyboy]

Any racing drivers with common sense will take lessons with professional instructors. i did , I had many years of tuition from various professional track driving instructors.
I remember watching a video posted by an advanced police driver on a motoring website and I was shocked when he showed the cockpit mounted camera tape of his drive through the Derbyshire Peak district. There were several times where his actions were dangerous in terms of road positioning and corner exit etc...

 

[skyboy]

So, unless they see the 'theft' taking place, how are the police to differentiate whether the car is merly stolen or is part of a more substantial crime?

If the robbery is armed then an eyewitness could - would be able to describe the getaway car..

 

[snico]

I think there needs to be a rationalisation of thought.
You are right racing drivers don't have all those obstacles to deal with and it makes me wince everytime I see a tv police pursuit where officers go through 30mph zones , parked cars , wrong side of traffic islands etc etc at double the speed limit.

There is a clip on youtube, or was....of a police pursuit officer and a racing driver on a track. The racing driver went around the track about 3 seconds faster than the police officer. That racing driver knew the track, the officer didnt.

That racing driver would useless driving at speeds around a town or city. Police officers are constantly looking at every hazard possible, they know the roads, they know how the car will handle, they know the best gear changes etc etc

 

[AssociatedAlarms]

I remember watching a video posted by an advanced police driver on a motoring website and I was shocked when he showed the cockpit mounted camera tape of his drive through the Derbyshire Peak district. There were several times where his actions were dangerous in terms of road positioning and corner exit etc...

Care to mention why?
I know Fire Tender drivers and Ambulance drivers are taught to "own" the road, The positioning is contrary to what most would think. It is a proven tactic. It clears the road and makes the chances of an accident less.
Have you been on one of these road based courses or just been on a track with nothing oncoming?
Police and other "forces" are taught even more aggressively. For a reason.
Can you say why you felt taking a "priority" stance is dangerous?

 

[alumni]

Stop moving the goal posts. You're beginning to look like Joe.

The Police aren't psychic, they can only work on the information they have, along with experience, knowledge of area etc.

 

[alumni]

There were several times where his actions were dangerous in terms of road positioning and corner exit etc...

They purposely avoid the racing line - it ain't good for them or others.

Perhaps you should have done a little more research before wading in and criticising the Police. But then again, they ain't exactly on your xmas card list are they?

 

[Whitespirit66]

If you have your house burgled - or your belonging stolen - or damage to your property the Police generally will not invest time and effort in looking to resolve or follow up your incident.

They will give you a crime number and point you in the direction of your insurers....

If you're reporting a burglary, asking the police to follow it up, and give a crime number - in the past, ie. criminals escaped. It was reported too late.

Why is a stolen car ANY DIFFERENT?

Because it's a crime in progress, with a chance of an immediate arrest. The police are aware of the crime taking place, and pursue them.


Two completely different scenarios. One past, one currently in progress.

 

[skyboy]

I remember watching a video posted by an advanced police driver on a motoring website and I was shocked when he showed the cockpit mounted camera tape of his drive through the Derbyshire Peak district. There were several times where his actions were dangerous in terms of road positioning and corner exit etc...

Care to mention why?
I know Fire Tender drivers and Ambulance drivers are taught to "own" the road, The positioning is contrary to what most would think. It is a proven tactic. It clears the road and makes the chances of an accident less.
Have you been on one of these road based courses or just been on a track with nothing oncoming?
Police and other "forces" are taught even more aggressively. For a reason.
Can you say why you felt taking a "priority" stance is dangerous?

It wasn't in relation to road positioning in order to get a better view of the road ahead such as going over the white line before a left hand bend , I understand the logic in that.
It was in relation to taking lines around a corner which meant exiting the corner with a trajectory heading over the white line on the exit.

I don't car how fast these guys corner just as long as on their way through a corner they come out on their own side of the road.. This neccessitates a wide and late turn in..which also gives a better view around corners however the clip the officer posyed had him exiting a left hand corner on the right hand side of the road and the following corner was a right hander..this was shocking as if someone had then come round that corner there would have been a head on smash. The officer claimed that he could tell the road was going to be clear on his exit from the corner as he could see before he turned the left hand bend.
A few stills from the video proved on entry to the corner he would not have been able to see over the stone wall lining the road..so in effect he had just driven too fast and been out of control on the exit.
He just tried to dress it up as plannedafter the event.

 

[AssociatedAlarms]

And therein shows you know nothing about the training of a Class 1 driver.
I did give you the opportunity to explain and you got it incorrect.

 

[skyboy]

And therein shows you know nothing about the training of a Class 1 driver.
I did give you the opportunity to explain and you got it incorrect.

According to who?

The laws of physics don't change just because you dress up in a dayglo jacket.