Putin, arse, elbow
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It's a pity they didn't kill two birds with one stone.
Some inner circle people will be starting to breathe out of their ar5es.
What crime has he committed?
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Is there any evidence to suggest that Darya Dugina's father was involved in the invasion of Ukraine? Is there any evidence that Darya, herself was involved in the invasion?
Supporting, or even advising a PM or president for military action is not a crime.
Otherwise there are some on here who could be charged with murder of asylum seekers, because they suggest shooting them on sight.
Then there's the ones that advise slaughter of other criminals by primitive means.
We can't reduce war to targeting of civilians because they have a different ideology to ours. Otherwise we are no better than the Russian army and it's leaders.
There is a Russian report that they shot a drone down, over Crimea I assume. Drones, sabotage -who knows. Zelenskyy announced that he was going to drive them out of where it all started - Crimea. So we could expect something. He has also mentioned an army of 1,000,000 men - that sort of style of war usually means loads of army casualties. Neither side are really coming out and fighting in the open. It's more village / town etc hopping especially where gains are made. Then lobbing stuff at each other all over the place. The nuke station is a feature at the moment. Occupied - Russia wont be shelling it. Seems there are trucks in it. What else - pass. Ukraine obviously would like it back. Tricky.
There isn't much info coming out about actual progress with the fighting. Not on main news channels anyway. War In Ukraine is still updated. He's sort of shown that Russia is hotting things up again and recently has had some small gains. The gains always have been small other than when a side forces a withdrawal. Nature of the fighting. One of the gains appears to be in the area where bridges were hit with HIMARS to cut off supplies.
There has been a report that Russia will be getting Iranian drones. True or not - pass.
Blown up cars in Russia. Well notable people get done in there from time time. Who does it? One thought that struck me and it has before is that they are thought to have a very capable resident mafia with international connections to others. I wonder how business is currently going with them if they exist. This goes back to the collapse of the soviet. Gangs fighting on the streets. This was stopped but thought to have left one powerful group. The Russians are special nutcase actual target. Who knows how he fits in with Putin's actual inner circle. Who knows who tried to bump him off? It seems Putin hasn't followed his wishes when they have fought in other areas. It seems he says go for the lot. I've not looked at other invasions so pass.
There isn't much info coming out about actual progress with the fighting. Not on main news channels anyway. War In Ukraine is still updated. He's sort of shown that Russia is hotting things up again and recently has had some small gains. The gains always have been small other than when a side forces a withdrawal. Nature of the fighting. One of the gains appears to be in the area where bridges were hit with HIMARS to cut off supplies.
There has been a report that Russia will be getting Iranian drones. True or not - pass.
Blown up cars in Russia. Well notable people get done in there from time time. Who does it? One thought that struck me and it has before is that they are thought to have a very capable resident mafia with international connections to others. I wonder how business is currently going with them if they exist. This goes back to the collapse of the soviet. Gangs fighting on the streets. This was stopped but thought to have left one powerful group. The Russians are special nutcase actual target. Who knows how he fits in with Putin's actual inner circle. Who knows who tried to bump him off? It seems Putin hasn't followed his wishes when they have fought in other areas. It seems he says go for the lot. I've not looked at other invasions so pass.
You mean like when the Gerries targeted the Eat End?
Or when The Allies targeted Dreden and deliberately bunt thousands of civilians to death?
Or when The Yanks targeted Hiroshima and Nagasaki to bring about an early end to the war?
BBC Russia report so rather direct. They are running a major recruitment campaign.
Critical of the sort of soldiers it will obtain but in real terms is it all that different to what Ukraine have? One idea with those is a week or so training here. It's happening. Small numbers.
More estimates of Russian troop losses. A bit of an unknown on Ukraine's side. Only number I came across was 100 to 200 a day in an area that wasn't particularly active. Also ~70 or so a day in a small field hospital. Shell shock mentioned - something they can't really help with.
Also
Ukraine war: 80% of troops killed or injured in elite military unit, says commander - and its future is unclear. Speaking to Sky News near the frontline, south of the city of Severodonetsk, the company commander says a core of experienced soldiers who had been fighting together since 2018 have been lost.25 Jun 2022
Critical of the sort of soldiers it will obtain but in real terms is it all that different to what Ukraine have? One idea with those is a week or so training here. It's happening. Small numbers.
More estimates of Russian troop losses. A bit of an unknown on Ukraine's side. Only number I came across was 100 to 200 a day in an area that wasn't particularly active. Also ~70 or so a day in a small field hospital. Shell shock mentioned - something they can't really help with.
Also
Ukraine war: 80% of troops killed or injured in elite military unit, says commander - and its future is unclear. Speaking to Sky News near the frontline, south of the city of Severodonetsk, the company commander says a core of experienced soldiers who had been fighting together since 2018 have been lost.25 Jun 2022
The latest line of thought is that she was the target.
Is there any evidence that this was carried out by Ukraine? Putin is more than happy to have his rivals and enemies killed.
That was subtly different, it was indiscriminate bombing. And we've moved on since then (Haven't we?) But even though it was slightly different, it's still not excusable in war.
The same as targeting of civilians in other countries, on the pretext that they were involved in a terrorist incident.
Surely the right and moral process is to hold them to account in a court of law, in absentia, and then if found guilty of a crime, targeting would be considered more acceptable, (depending on the crime). But to target civilian individuals on the basis that they hold different ideological views is the road to ruin. It's certainly loses the moral high ground.
It's still targeting individual civilians for holding a different ideological opinion.
When an opponent of the West does something like that, it's described as a terrorist incident.
If targeting specific civilians in a war is permissible, then targeting the Tory government in Brighton was justifiable. As was targeting Mountbatten.
None at all, yet. But the forum seemed to think it was perfectly acceptable, if it had been.
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Some from the WarInUkraine guy, and others:
Life in Russia has snags, mostly just at edges; though add in inflation and some more unemployment.
However, Russia is earning far more from oil/gas than in recent years, because of the price hikes.
It has plenty of rubles to pay the people, even though the currency is stronger than it was pre-invasion.
Russia has food, energy, and most goods it needs from China.
It's missing some highest-tech imports, but for many of those it can catch up, with home production, over time.
Oil:
Exports from Russia 2020
India has increased oil imports tenfold+ to 10.5$bn.
China's Russian fuel imports are up by a few $bn worth due to volume.
"Chinese and Indian buyers snapped up $24 billion in Russian crude during the first three months of war alone".
Of course what one country doesn't import, is available to another, so it all sloshes around.
Fact seems to remain that Russia has Europe by the balls.
LIttle Bulgaria has conceded that it will have to use Russian oil, contrary to earlier plans.
First of many, unless Russia declines, and chooses to squeeze instead?
How much more pressure would it take, to force an economic depression in the West?
The News is about a killing here, a bombing there, a war crime somewhere. Pah.
- Russians are still advancing, but very slowly.
Displeasure at Zelenskyy in Ukr as he admits he knew Russian invasion plans, months ahead of time. Didn't tell his people for their own good.
Ukr Farmers won't be producing food. The prices have collapsed, they can't store it, they can't export it.
US midterm elections (November) are likely to see gains for Trump's lot, leading to reduced spending in Ukr.
- US has its own problems. Inflation, huge borrowing, overblown stock valuations.
Life in Russia has snags, mostly just at edges; though add in inflation and some more unemployment.
However, Russia is earning far more from oil/gas than in recent years, because of the price hikes.
It has plenty of rubles to pay the people, even though the currency is stronger than it was pre-invasion.
Russia has food, energy, and most goods it needs from China.
It's missing some highest-tech imports, but for many of those it can catch up, with home production, over time.
Oil:
Exports from Russia 2020
India has increased oil imports tenfold+ to 10.5$bn.
China's Russian fuel imports are up by a few $bn worth due to volume.
"Chinese and Indian buyers snapped up $24 billion in Russian crude during the first three months of war alone".
Of course what one country doesn't import, is available to another, so it all sloshes around.
Fact seems to remain that Russia has Europe by the balls.
LIttle Bulgaria has conceded that it will have to use Russian oil, contrary to earlier plans.
First of many, unless Russia declines, and chooses to squeeze instead?
How much more pressure would it take, to force an economic depression in the West?
The News is about a killing here, a bombing there, a war crime somewhere. Pah.
I would be surprised if anyone on this forum really cares who did it. I certainly don't.
Targeting this bloke was probably not acceptable imho ??
Than again it’s assumed it was the Ukranian s who did it ?? Not necessarily so
A dissedent group in Russia has claimed responsibility ?? Just been on the news
May be correct may not ?
But
It is important for Putin that the Ukraine are blamed
It don’t look to good if there is internal violent opposition with in Russia ??
Than again it’s assumed it was the Ukranian s who did it ?? Not necessarily so
A dissedent group in Russia has claimed responsibility ?? Just been on the news
May be correct may not ?
But
It is important for Putin that the Ukraine are blamed
It don’t look to good if there is internal violent opposition with in Russia ??
Strange 
How the Russians have sussed out this assanition with in days
We’re as other such incidents remain in solved
That opposition politician who was shot out side the Kremlin ?
No one knows who is responsible for that
Russian plod have not got a clue
How the Russians have sussed out this assanition with in days
We’re as other such incidents remain in solved
That opposition politician who was shot out side the Kremlin ?
No one knows who is responsible for that
Russian plod have not got a clue
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