The Brexit Solution - Learning from History

[ellal]

I think the point being made is that ISIS can afford plane tickets and false documents - if they want to enter Britain - they don't need to walk there with everyone else.

Forget planes...

Do you know the number of boats/yachts there are in the south of England alone?

Of course you don't - and neither does the 'authorities'!
(estimates are anywhere between 100,000 and 1.5 million!)

Do you know how many permanent customs officers there are between Dover and Dorset?
Less than 20!

But hey, we can always rely on 'dad's army'!

A plan for the east coast: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/border-force-may-use-volunteers-to-help-guard-britains-borders/

Others here seem to not understand the logistics of patrolling the fourth largest coastline in Europe!

 

[JohnD]

We don't have open borders.

We do have an open border with the EU, with no fence, no customs posts and no passport checks.

Nobody knows what to do about it.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Well given that anyone (as I liked to) from the EEA has the right to come live and work in the UK, it's certainly anything but a closed border. You can't do that in the States for example.

How the States run their country is up to them! Can't do that in Australia either, and quite a few others I should imagine.

But we were talking about terrorism were we not?

 

[sodthisforfun]

We do have an open border with the EU, with no fence, no customs posts and no passport checks.

Nobody knows what to do about it.

?

 

[SammyInnit]

How the States run their country is up to them! Can't do that in Australia either, and quite a few others I should imagine.

But we were talking about terrorism were we not?

You're going round in circles. If someone in the EU, can claim to be an EU citizen, aquire illegitimate documents to say they are, then have all the same rights to enter the UK as an EU citizen would, how is that not a problem with terrorism?

The point made about flying direct and not having to walk with the others - do you not think that would ring alarm bells with UK intelligence agencies.

Like you said yourself, it's about intelligence gathering so why would terrorists leave anything to chance?

 

[SammyInnit]

?

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-and-irish-border/

 

[JohnD]

?

here it is

 

[noseall]

You're going round in circles.

You are boyo.

If someone in the EU, can claim to be an EU citizen, aquire illegitimate documents to say they are, then have all the same rights to enter the UK as an EU citizen would, how is that not a problem with terrorism?

It will be exactly the same after we leave the EU. What is your point?
The only thing that will likely weaken is our ability to fight terrorism effectively, once we leave. Ho hum.​

 

[EFLImpudence]

US Canada border -

 

[JohnD]

... If someone in the EU, can claim to be an EU citizen, aquire illegitimate documents to say they are, then have all the same rights to enter the UK as an EU citizen would, how is that not a problem with terrorism?

And a Russian secret agent can fly here and assassinate people without needing to go to any such trouble.

Why are you obsessed with the EU and trying to pretend that it is the cause of your worries?

 

[sodthisforfun]

You're going round in circles. If someone in the EU, can claim to be an EU citizen, aquire illegitimate documents to say they are, then have all the same rights to enter the UK as an EU citizen would, how is that not a problem with terrorism?

The point made about flying direct and not having to walk with the others - do you not think that would ring alarm bells with UK intelligence agencies.

Like you said yourself, it's about intelligence gathering so why would terrorists leave anything to chance?

And the point am making is that this makes no difference to terrorism!! If they wish to get in, they will. There has been a couple of people who have come through the boat route and carried out acts of terrorism I think, but do you think that will all go away if people from the EU have no automatic right to work here?

There's nothing to stop anyone, from all over the world, applying for a job in the UK and getting in. If they are determined to get in......

 

[SammyInnit]

And the point am making is that this makes no difference to terrorism!! If they wish to get in, they will. There has been a couple of people who have come through the boat route and carried out acts of terrorism I think, but do you think that will all go away if people from the EU have no right to work here?

There's nothing to stop anyone, from all over the world, applying for a job in the UK and getting in.

So you think it's logical to give up trying to protect your border entirely?

I don't agree.

 

[SammyInnit]

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[SammyInnit]

Why are you obsessed with the EU

I'm not anymore because we're leaving.

 

[noseall]

So you think it's logical to give up trying to protect your border entirely

sammi decides to steer thread (rather unskillfully) away from his failed argument.