The death penalty.

[blondini]

What actual evidence is there to support capital punishment as a deterrent to murder?

 

[doitall]

What actual evidence is there to support capital punishment as a deterrent to murder?

They don't re-offend

 

[megawatt]

Certainly can't argue with that one

 

[joe-90]

If it is such a great deterrent then please explain why states in the US that HAVE the death penalty have a HIGHER murder rate than those that DON'T.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=168#stateswithvwithout


If you look at the stats you will see that Louisiana (a death penalty state) has around double the murder rate of most other states. That's not a great deterrent in action in my opinion. Is it yours?

As far as the 'hang 'em quick' lobby goes:

Was anyone on Death Row ever found innocent in my state?
Eight innocent people were exonerated on Death Row in Louisiana since 1976. Johnny Ross was released in 1981 after serving 6 years, Curtis Kyles in 1998 after serving 14 years, Shareef Cousin in 1999 after serving 3 years, Michael Graham in 2000 after serving 13 years, Albert Burrell in 2000 after serving 13 years, John Thompson in 2003 after serving 18 years, Dan L. Bright in 2004 after serving 8 years, and Ryan Matthews in 2004 after serving 5 years.

http://www.deadlinethemovie.com/state/LA/index.php

 

[bob-the-builder]

Nearly all paedophiles were once the victim of paedophiles.

Well you would think they would know better then, wouldn't you?

 

[bob-the-builder]

Just a thought BAS whats your feeling on our lads in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are killing in our name, and through no fault of theirs many innocent people die.

And on that note, it is exactly why I decided not to join the forces after being accepted and passing the medical etc.

They are training you to become an effective killer and then sent to a warzone, but if an inocent bystander gets injured accidentally, you are liable to be prosecuted.

That is just plain wrong IMO, you should be supported by your country for placing your own life on the line to defend it and it's people, not sent to jail for manslaughter!

 

[joe-90]

Nearly all paedophiles were once the victim of paedophiles.

Well you would think they would know better then, wouldn't you?

Yes you would, but that's what happens as part of the damage done to the child.

 

[Shytalkz]

And on that note, it is exactly why I decided not to join the forces after being accepted and passing the medical etc.

They are training you to become an effective killer and then sent to a warzone, but if an inocent bystander gets injured accidentally, you are liable to be prosecuted.

That is just plain wrong IMO, you should be supported by your country for placing your own life on the line to defend it and it's people, not sent to jail for manslaughter!

Twas exactly the same in NI, hence the legal requirement to carry a "yellow card" at all times, which gave precise instructions on rules of engagement; every round fired also had to be accounted for (well, let me see, he shot at me, so I fired back at his torso, then another one opened up, so I fired two at his head..but there are six rounds gone, where were the other three fired? Hmmm...dunno Sarge). Only thing is, you don't tend to have much opportunity to read it when there's a contact...

Google Lee Clegg for evidence on how much the state can shaft its own defenders.

 

[joe-90]

Just a thought BAS whats your feeling on our lads in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are killing in our name, and through no fault of theirs many innocent people die.

And on that note, it is exactly why I decided not to join the forces after being accepted and passing the medical etc.

They are training you to become an effective killer and then sent to a warzone, but if an inocent bystander gets injured accidentally, you are liable to be prosecuted.

That is just plain wrong IMO, you should be supported by your country for placing your own life on the line to defend it and it's people, not sent to jail for manslaughter!

You just wanted an excuse to go out and kill people without the risk of a prison term. How sick are you, Buddy?

 

[Shytalkz]

Ryan Matthews in 2004 after serving 5 years.

Shame it wasn't Bernard Matthews, for crimes against the food industry

 

[Shytalkz]

You just wanted an excuse to go out and kill people without the risk of a prison term. How sick are you, Buddy?

Is that an accusation that you would level at all forces personnel then, Joe?

 

[joe-90]

Ryan Matthews in 2004 after serving 5 years.

Shame it wasn't Bernard Matthews, for crimes against the food industry

I'd expect a paltry retort from you.

 

[Shytalkz]

That was a good one Joe - damn...!!!

 

[joe-90]

You just wanted an excuse to go out and kill people without the risk of a prison term. How sick are you, Buddy?

Is that an accusation that you would level at all forces personnel then, Joe?

Every ex-squaddy I've ever met has been a complete fruitcake. Don't know if they make them mental in the army or if they are psychopaths looking for a legal way to kill. I'd suspect the latter.

 

[bob-the-builder]

If it is such a great deterrent then please explain why states in the US that HAVE the death penalty have a HIGHER murder rate than those that DON'T.

Who know's, maybe it's because:

Some states have a higher population of people and therefore more people equals more chance of a crime being committed.

Some states have a higher proportion of less educated, unemployed people?

Some states have a higher proportion of black gangs and drug related crime?

Some states have the higest proportion of illegal weapons? (the majority of weapons used in crime are unregistered guns and again not the senisble and law abiding citizens)

American people have more chance in defending themselves against criminals by being able to use lethal force when necesary.