The death penalty.

[doitall]

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Diito

To be honest I think the thread has run its course anyway, it's getting stupid now.

 

[godsoftandjoearedull]

What's it to you? Show me a law that says I have to like ginger people. I loathe them. They make me want to vomit.

Now, now, Josephine we aren't being entirely honest with ourselves our we? When you look at our Fiz

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• godsoftandjoearedull
• 8 Jun 2008
• 1

We know you get a warm, if slightly wet, feeling in your lederhose.

 

[Norcon]

Joe 90 wrote

What's it to you?

Its nothing to me. The world is full of haters so its no surprise to see them on here.

 

[megawatt]

Joe-90 asked the question "I don't like black people therefore am I a racist?"

According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. '[1]

The key bit is in bold and so I would say that disliking all black people doesn't make him racist unless he uses his dislike to prejudice said group of people.

It makes him a pillock but we all know that already.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and values but we are judged on how we act on those beliefs and values not simply having them.

I don't consider myself to have any 'isms whatsoever but I also find ginger haired people unattractive for what its worth ... Even Nicole Kidman

MW

 

[joe-90]

Mega. If you are going to quote me then at least have the decency to do so accurately.

I said "If I dislike black people does that make me a racist."

 

[joe-90]

Anyway, back on topic.

The facts of the matter are that the US states that have outlawed the death penalty have far lower incidences of murder (up to 44% lower) than those that retain it. Therefore we can say without risk of contradiction that the death penalty is useless as a deterrent. It therefore follows that banning the death penalty in those states that currently use it would reduce and not increase the incidence of murder.

It also follows that if the UK were to reintroduce the death penalty the likelihood (by the American model) is that the murder rate would rise - not fall.

The bottom line is that the death penalty isn't about deterrence but is a revenge killing orchestrated by the state.

Therefore, we can conclude that the members of this forum that want to see its reintroduction are happy to see the murder rate rise as long as they can kill the murderer when they catch him.

What odd people you are.

 

[Softus]

Firstly, I oppose the death penalty.

However, I also oppose illogic.

The facts of the matter are that the US states that have outlawed the death penalty have far lower incidences of murder (up to 44% lower) than those that retain it.

Which one is the cause and which one is the effect?

Therefore we can say without risk of contradiction that the death penalty is useless as a deterrent.

I don't know how you can say that. Is there evidence that the reason for reduced murder rate is absense of the death penalty?

It therefore follows that banning the death penalty in those states that currently use it would reduce and not increase the incidence of murder.

It might follow, but equally it might not, depending on the answer to the previous question.

it also follows that if the UK were to reintroduce the death penalty the likelihood (by the American model) is that the murder rate would rise - not fall.

It might follow, but equally it might not, depending on (a) whether the US cause and effect is as you believe, and (b) whether or not UK criminals would behave in the same way.

The bottom line is that the death penalty isn't about deterrence but about is a revenge killing orchestrated by the state.

I agree with that, but only because I believe it - I don't think you've arrived there by truth and reasoning; you've simply used the word "therefore" where it doesn't fit.

Therefore, we can conclude that the members of this forum that want to see its reintroduction are happy to see the murder rate rise as long as they can kill the murderer when they catch him.

That's certainly an interesting question, but it's not an irrefutable conclusion, because the basis of it doesn't appear to be factual.

What odd people you are.

Surely the definition of odd is subjective. Surely everyone thinks that at least one other person is odd. To me, someone who wants the death penalty. and whose vengeful thoughts blind them from reason, is absolutely normal. Everyone has vengeful impulses at some point in their life. We live alongside each other, all hypocritically condemning everyone who's different.

Wanting the death penalty is fine. Actually having it isn't.

 

[joe-90]

OK Softus. Let's hear what Softus has to say on the subject. Anyone can snipe at another - so here you go - the stage is yours.

 

[Softus]

In what way has anything I've written on the topic been unclear or ambiguous?

I've said explicitly that I oppose the death penalty.

Moreover, I didn't snipe at you, I was pointing out the non-sequitur. You seem very insecure about this, but if you have more information that would support the situation that you and I both support, then that would be brilliant.

 

[Shytalkz]

If I said I hated Joe, would that make me a sensibilist ?

 

[doitall]

If I said I hated Joe, would that make me a sensibilist ?

Do you know Joe personally or is it something he said that you disagree with.

It has nothing to do with the topic what you or anyone else think of anyones point of view, you either agree or you don't.

A guy comes along and rapes and murders Your daughter, do you want to kill the barsteward personally or turn the other cheek and give the state money to look after the sick *************

Are you happy to pay towards his keep in a holiday camp, shall we say enough for an new plassma tv. Because thats what happens, not only has he snuffed your daughters life out, YOU have to pay to keep him as well.

Sort of rubbing salt into wounds.

 

[Shytalkz]

Neither, I was just being facetious re his comments about gingers and blacks, although he does have a propensity towards being a bit of a knob at times .

I'm all up for the death penalty, you're preaching to the converted, bud.

 

[doitall]

Not preaching to anyone shytalkz, and I don't care what others views are, if they are happy to pay money to keep the scum that raped, tortured, and put their daughter through hell for God knows how long, in luxury for 10 years.

Fine turn the other cheek, I say string em up and I'll happily pay.

 

[sooey]

I say string em up and I'll happily pay.

Burn them at the stake, in public. Then you could have "frying tonight" signs outside the nicks, which would draw a good crowd and would in itself help to keep the crime figures down by keeping people occupied. Or is that a bit too radical?

 

[megawatt]

Where's your sense of conservation ... Think of all that pollution.

Chop off their heads and feed them to the fish