Theresa's mercenaries getting itchy feet

[Notch7]

I suspect that you know the answer so that is a silly question.

The EU has open borders within the EU and from one EU country to another, except where a country has decided to limit it within certain limits. Currently UK is in the EU and people, goods, services and money move between the UK and other EU countries.

When the UK leaves the EU, this will no no longer be the case, and the UK has told the EU it does not want to have any of the available schemes giving open borders.

The UK has said that it wants controlled borders and it does not want free movement.

The UK has not yet agreed what these borders will do or where they will be.

But the current UK government has said it wants controlled borders. Perhaps one or both of these facts will change one day. Who knows?

And what do you think?

You wont answer your question about whether you want free movement of people or not........

 

[Notch7]

Perhaps one or both of these facts will change one day. Who knows?

Why is Corbyn stepping down?

You must be meaning the labour party are getting an electable leader, that the majority of labour MPs actually support.

 

[JohnD]

But the current UK government has said it wants controlled borders. Perhaps one or both of these facts will change one day. Who knows?

Why is Corbyn stepping down?

We all know that notch has little grasp on reality, but he is mistaken in thinking that Corbyn already heads the current UK government.

Perhaps notch can see into the future.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

In the last general election you may have voted Lib Dem. Does that mean you should have Vince Cable as your own personal prime minister?

It does not matter who is PM, it does not change how I voted.
And thus who I would have preferred for PM.

 

[Notch7]

It does not matter who is PM, it does not change how I voted.
And thus who I would have preferred for PM.

Oh dear, its seems you are struggling to understand how a referendum works.

Never mind

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Oh dear, its seems you are struggling to understand how a referendum works.

Never mind

The result of a vote or a referendum does not change peoples' votes.
It does not change their preferred option.
It does not change their preferred policies.
It does not affect who they prefer to be PM, or local MP, etc.

NI voted in the referendum to remain in the EU.
The result of the overall UK referendum cannot change that.
The government can (and did) decide to ignore the regional differences. Because the government is ignoring the regional differences, it is going against those (regional) peoples' wishes, and in agreement with the wishes of the people from other regions.

What the question asked and did not ask
This means there can be no explicit mandate from the terms of the question for, say, Scotland or Northern Ireland to remain. There is no explicit mandate either for Gibraltar to leave.
There is nothing, at least explicitly, on whether Britain should remain part of the EU single market or customs union

the fact remains that these consequences are not expressly stated. And without them being spelled out, there is scope for doubt and dispute.

In other words, there was a mandate for the ultimate objective but not for how and when that would be achieved. But quite quickly a number of other things were said to be mandated by the referendum.

https://www.ft.com/content/b56b2b36-1835-37c6-8152-b175cf077ae8

The government applied the criteria for the whole of the UK to leave, despite obvious regional differences (Scotland, NI and Gibraltar.) It did not have to apply that interpretation.
The referendum did not refer to the type of Brexit,yet the government chose to apply it to exiting Customs Union and Single Market. (Brexit means Brexit) It was not mandated to apply that interpretation.
Quite obviously the government have picked and chosen the interpretations of the referendum question to suit their political ends.

Therefore, it is absolutely essential that parliament has a meaningful vote on the type of Brexit. (Even if they have been denied a vote on whether the referendum applies to the whole of UK and Gibraltar.)
Did they have a meaningful vote on when the Article 50 was triggered? So the government has forged ahead with their own interpretations of the referendum question.

 

[SirGalahad]

Hands up who wants to stay in the customs union at the expense of independent trade deals?

I'd have preferred to stay in the Customs Union and even the EEA, but then we can't do our own trade deals and we wont have a seat at negotiating the EUs. No cherry picking remember.

/QUOTE]

 

[Notch7]

t did not have to apply that interpretation

Yes it did its called the EU.

chose to apply it to exiting Customs Union and Single Market

Didnt choose to apply. Leaving the EU means leaving the customs union and single market......have you been asleep since the referendum?

Hows that cash for ash nuance working out for you?
About as well as George Soros and his UK citizenship I should imagine.
Or that single case of CJD in France (there were many).

 

[JohnD]

Leaving the EU means leaving the customs union and single market......

There are four options. We've known that since long before the referendum.

Which one do you want?

Which one will Theresa's government eventually choose?

Nobody knows.

Outcomes

• JohnD
• 18 Aug 2016
• 1

 

[vinty]

There are four options. We've known that since long before the referendum.

Which one do you want?

Which one will Theresa's government eventually choose?

Nobody knows.

Outcomes

• JohnD
• 18 Aug 2016
• 1

If nobody knows why are you asking the question in the first place.

 

[vinty]

We all know that notch has little grasp on reality, but he is mistaken in thinking that Corbyn already heads the current UK government.

Perhaps notch can see into the future.

Why are you always asking Questions John?

 

[Notch7]

Why are you always asking Questions John?

Dishonest debating technique, thats why ......one of his favorites is commonly known as false choice / false dilemma.

 

[SirGalahad]

Dishonest debating technique, thats why ......one of his favorites is commonly known as false choice / false dilemma.

What's yours?

False allegations?

 

[JohnD]

If nobody knows why are you asking the question in the first place.

Which option do YOU want?

 

[Notch7]

There are four options

Four false options you mean.

The relationship the UK could have with the EU is not restricted to those options.