They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[ellal]

I would never criminalise a family member who puts someone out of their genuine terminal suffering when asked to, whether doing it directly, or assisting them, or going to Switzerland. The cps have discretion to decide if it is prosecutable as manslaughter.

I would never "kill" someone in those circumstances but recognise that others would, but that happens with palliative care, Switzerland, and in extreme cases when a family members kills the person direct. Plenty of discretion within the existing law and CPS guidance to take appropriate action, or none at all.

Then what's the problem with putting the framework in place beforehand?

It stops the individual suffering, and relieves the agony of those who may spend months/years in suspense for simply helping out a person they love!

Why should someone have to end their life in a foreign land as opposed to in their own home?

And are you now saying that palliative care is a form of assisted dying/killing?

 

[Notch7]

Already the language has been changed. It is suicide whether you like that term or not. The fact that it involves doctors, lawyers, a high court judge, and nhs policies, procedures and tick box forms is neither here nor there.

when a doctor decides to speed up a persons death by withholding water or food, that’s murder.

The Liverpool pathway is state sanctioned murder.

 

[Notch7]

Politicians like to be associated with change, it gives them a footnote in history instead becoming forgotten.

The something better can only mean making it more easily available, earlier, and to a wider group of people. on demand. A tick box exercise.

The assisted dying bill could give people a dignified death

You don’t like Starmer so you pathetically twist everything this govt does into a negative.

 

[Notch7]

I suspect it’ll get thrown out again

I don’t if it will get thrown out, I suspect it will drag on and on, possibly becoming law but with so many restrictions it’s not workable.

The last govt made cannabis legal for medical use….but almost nobody can access it.

 

[motorbiking]

when a doctor decides to speed up a persons death by withholding water or food, that’s murder.

The Liverpool pathway is state sanctioned murder.

It isn’t.

 

[motorbiking]

The assisted dying bill could give people a dignified death

You don’t like Starmer so you pathetically twist everything this govt does into a negative.

It could but not how it’s currently written. I would like the high court element removed unless there are objections and I would like the diagnosis extended to 12 months. Otherwise this bill delivers nothing that cannot be achieved with palliative care.

 

[blup]

Then what's the problem with putting the framework in place beforehand?

It stops the individual suffering, and relieves the agony of those who may spend months/years in suspense for simply helping out a person they love!

Why should someone have to end their life in a foreign land as opposed to in their own home?

And are you now saying that palliative care is a form of assisted dying/killing?

The new rules are not the magic cure you describe. People will have to find tens of thousands of pounds for legal and other fees, hundreds of thousands if the case is challenged, probably with legal aid. Money that could be better spent on the nhs.

 

[blup]

when a doctor decides to speed up a persons death by withholding water or food, that’s murder.

The Liverpool pathway is state sanctioned murder.

Steady on

 

[Notch7]

I hope none of your friends or family have to endure a lingering painful death...

But if they do, you should be forced to sit by their bedside day in, day out...

Because since you believe in forcing them to go through hell, you should be forced to witness it...

And if you believe it is 'suicide', then by labeling a choice as such then you are bereft of compassion!

I agree

I don’t think using the term suicide purely for emotive ideological reasons helps the debate at all.

I know somebody who was an end of life nurse for 20 years, she supports the bill 100%


We already have assisted dying anyway, but it’s a horrible painful one

 

[Notch7]

Steady on

I’m just using your emotive language

 

[Notch7]

The new rules are not the magic cure you describe. People will have to find tens of thousands of pounds for legal and other fees, hundreds of thousands if the case is challenged, probably with legal aid. Money that could be better spent on the nhs.

You don’t know that.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Steady on

Either you agree it's assisted dying or you are trying to suggest it's something else ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You don’t know that.

Conjecture and desperation

 

[motorbiking]

We already have assisted dying anyway, but it’s a horrible painful one

According to the GP at the hospice I had involvement with, 60% of patients experience pain despite the pain killers. If you are sedated, the pain you experience would be the same as the pain your body experiences while you are under anaesthetic, surely?

We already have assisted dying (Palliative care). The bill enables a person to assist someone to commit suicide. This is currently contrary to the Suicide Act 1961.

 

[Notch7]

It isn’t.

Indeed

and neither is the assisted dying bill "suicide"