They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[Vinty]

Not quite what you said though

I said the council regarded the dead woman as a waste product from a commercial business.

Quote from article..

The council argued to ombudsman Patricia Thomas that, from a commercial viewpoint, residents of a home are its income-producing raw material. It said deceased residents may be regarded as being the waste product of their business.

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[JohnD]

In 1998.

"Could be argued"

It could be argued that Buffoon Johnson is not a lying, dishonest, incompetent who is unfit for public office.

But that would not make it true.

"Mrs Thomas said the council's argument was specious."

 

[Odds]

In the debate surrounding the bill, the impact on families shouldn't be forgotten: often, they feel tremendous guilt in considering such a drastic step and denying compassionate legislation only serves to prolong the agony for all concerned. These decisions aren't taken on the spur of the moment, usually taken after months, or even years, of soul searching. Would anyone stand by while their loved one begged for release from mortal torment? I could not.

 

[blup]

Giving people the option to be killed by the state is monetizing death, treating it as a consumer choice. Humans don't approach death in that way

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Giving people the option to be killed by the state is monetizing death, treating it as a consumer choice. Humans don't approach death in that way

Eh?

 

[JohnD]

People suffering unbearably, with no end in sight, are entitled to choose their own end.

 

[Odds]

Giving people the option to be killed by the state is monetizing death, treating it as a consumer choice. Humans don't approach death in that way

Who said 'the State' would administer the final step? Legislation is being drawn to avoid criminalising families and doctors who make a considered choice to end care. Citing Harold Shipman is counter productive, in my view. Does it stop you going to the doctor? One bad incident shouldn't prevent good folk doing what's best in difficult circumstances.

 

[gas112]

Think most of us would say when healthy I wouldn't want to live in certain terminal health cases . But I sat everyday with someone who had that opinion and watched as they wasted away to nothing over 3 months unable to eat . Fed by tubes and drips . And in pain Didnt believe in God or after life but when given the option to stop the drips and be dead in two days they refused it several times and went on for weeks afterwards . So yep really easy to say it while your healthy but when push comes to shove it's a different ball game.

 

[motorbiking]

Yes. It easy to say when healthy. But I’ve seen people want to cling to every possible chance of hope.

The problem with assisted dying is that at the critical time the person is likely to be so high on morphine that they probably aren’t able to form clear thoughts.

 

[Odds]

Nobody is suggesting assisted dying is mandatory for terminally ill patients - but people are allowed to make a considered choice when undergoing treatment to make preparations should the worst happen. If you were in a vegetative state, for instance, would you prefer to linger on or provide assurance for a family doctor to provide assisted dying under legal protection?

 

[blup]

Who said 'the State' would administer the final step? Legislation is being drawn to avoid criminalising families and doctors who make a considered choice to end care. Citing Harold Shipman is counter productive, in my view. Does it stop you going to the doctor? One bad incident shouldn't prevent good folk doing what's best in difficult circumstances.

Doctors take an oath to preserve life not to kill people. There are well established sensitive "pathways" to navigate end of life care, including, bluntly, a strong final dose of drugs at the very end to avoid prolonging death when it is nigh. The consumer based approach to end of life at best runs counter to that and at worst conflicts with it. The instinct to live is incredibly strong in humans, and coming to terms with death isn't helped by some bureaucrat handing you a piece of paper saying of course you could just end it all now if you want to, as you'll be gone in less than 6 months anyway..

 

[motorbiking]

Nobody is suggesting assisted dying is mandatory for terminally ill patients - but people are allowed to make a considered choice when undergoing treatment to make preparations should the worst happen. If you were in a vegetative state, for instance, would you prefer to linger on or provide assurance for a family doctor to provide assisted dying under legal protection?

You can’t know. Most people are petrified in their last moments. I’ve certainly flip flopped on this topic.

 

[Odds]

Aldous Huxley dropped acid and passed over with a transcendent smile upon his face. George Harrison saw the light and was blessed. Most people who live with terminal illness have a long time to prepare and cushion their fear with courage. Doctors have a duty of care, certainly, but when no further medical aid is possible, then a way out from torment should be considered by those concerned.

 

[motorbiking]

I’d do some reading up on the drugs hospices use. Not too different.

 

[Odds]

I’d do some reading up on the drugs hospices use. Not too different.

Lemme know what you find out.