They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[motorbiking]

But it's not the intention. All medical interventions carry risk..

Quite a few die from Cosmetic Surgery in Turkey.

 

[motorbiking]

They must express a ‘clear, settled and informed’ wish in two separate witnessed declarations - Two independent doctors must be satisfied that the person is eligible.
The application must be approved by a high court judge who would hear from at least one of the doctors and may question the patient or anyone else involved.
Medicine must be self-administered with doctors banned from assisting.

Would you add further measures?

I wouldn't legalise it in the first place.
That would be the best safeguard.

I don’t disagree. But I think the certification requirements being proposed might be a bit onerous.

that was my point.

They seem to be following the process that a hospital follows to withdraw life sustaining treatment against the wishes of the family and adding the requirement of two doctors.

 

[denso13]

Treatment can prove to be lethal to people who are terminally ill.

Treatment is "enhanced" near the end, decisions are obviously being made on a case by case basis, and not by senior staff. Or so I've found.

 

[Odds]

I wouldn't legalise it in the first place.
That would be the best safeguard.

Is that a democratic way of looking at it?
For very Harold Shipman there's a thousand doctors who faithfully care for their patients and for every person lingering in misery you'd deny yhem the right to choose. Because a law may be signed it wouldn't mean everyone would choose to take the easy way out.

 

[Odds]

But it's not the intention. All medical interventions carry risk..

Quite a few die from Cosmetic Surgery in Turkey.

I wouldn't be in any hurry to get my teeth capped there, either.

 

[Mottie]

Would you add further measures?

A legally appointed independent witness to the self administration?

 

[Odds]

A legally appointed independent witness to the self administration?

...to ensure there's no coercion?

 

[Mottie]

...to ensure there's no coercion?

Wouldn’t hurt, would it?

 

[Odds]

Wouldn’t hurt, would it?

I'd hope not...safeguards should reassure people considering the method, although the news mentioned hundreds are expected to apply each year - if the legislation is approved. I think there's a good chance it will be. More folk these days aren't prepared to lie around waiting for the inevitable when all medical hope is lost.

 

[ajohn]

Treatment is "enhanced" near the end, decisions are obviously being made on a case by case basis, and not by senior staff. Or so I've found.

My impression is treatment intended to prolong life that the body in a general sense does not always survive. I know of 3 cancer cases where his seems to have happened. I do not know that many people.Ages of these I'd say mid 60's to early 70's.

Another much older was an uncle 92 who fell and broke his hip so needed an operation. The anaesthetic proved to be too much for him. Sometimes these are the major risks of an operation not the operation itself.

 

[denso13]

I'm meaning a more deliberate act, rather a consequence of treatment.

 

[noseall]

birth control.

Shock horror 21st century medicine! How dare women have control of their bodies!!

 

[motorbiking]

I'm meaning a more deliberate act, rather a consequence of treatment.

ahh..

made much higher risk for those administering the drugs following the Shipman case.

 

[motorbiking]

My impression is treatment intended to prolong life that the body in a general sense does not always survive. I know of 3 cancer cases where his seems to have happened. I do not know that many people.Ages of these I'd say mid 60's to early 70's.

Another much older was an uncle 92 who fell and broke his hip so needed an operation. The anaesthetic proved to be too much for him. Sometimes these are the major risks of an operation not the operation itself.

Anaesthetic for obese + over 60s is very high risk and of course many cancer treatments are very toxic.

 

[blup]

Labour MP Kim Leadbeater has said she believed she had put forward “the best possible legislation” but warned wavering MPs that parliament may not get another chance to vote again on the issue for another decade. “It’s going to be a free vote and I mean that. It will be for every MP to decide for themselves how they want to vote. I’m not going to be putting any pressure whatsoever on Labour MPs. They will be making their own mind up, as I will be,” he said.

The bill is expected to run to 40 pages – believed to be one of the longest ever private members’ bills – and Leadbeater will stress to colleagues over the coming days that the bill has been the subject of exhaustive consultation.

• Patients must be over 18, have the mental capacity to make a choice about the end of their life and must be terminally ill and expected to die within six months - They must express a ‘clear, settled and informed’ wish in two separate witnessed declarations - Two independent doctors must be satisfied that the person is eligible - The application must be approved by a high court judge who would hear from at least one of the doctors and may question the patient or anyone else involved - Medicine must be self-administered with doctors banned from assisting - Coercion of a patient would be a criminal offence punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

A 40 page bill to allow people to commit sui cide, something wrong when it takes that many safeguards