They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[Odds]

Stephen Fry put it much better than I could...

“The moment you banish him [God], your life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living"

Thus I am not under the control that god botherers are...

And as such they (who are in the minority in the UK) should not be allowed to deny the choice to the majority!

From his point of view. Millions - billions! - prefer to live within a religious code, and their right to choose is just as valid as yours, and mine. I respect their opinion and they're free to decide on how they face up to death. I like the line from Gladiator: "when death smiles at you, all a man can do is smile back." The freedom to choose is an inherent component of any healthy democracy, no?

 

[blup]

Meanwhile on a purely practical level:

MSN

 

[ellal]

From his point of view. Millions - billions! - prefer to live within a religious code, and their right to choose is just as valid as yours, and mine.

But is their 'god given right' the right to deny me my choice?

Bring forth any one of the 'imaginary friends' and I'd be happy to debate about any 'code'...

Ain't going to happen though is it

 

[Notch7]

Meanwhile on a purely practical level:

MSN

It’s hard for the state to operate when public services are so broken.

It’s hard to see how democracy can be upheld properly when the judiciary doesn’t function. Rape cases taking 5 years to come to court is no good

 

[motorbiking]

It’s not about broken public services it’s about adding to their workload.

Not to mention that family court judges have zero medical expertise and spend most of their time dealing with divorce.

 

[Odds]

It’s not about broken public services it’s about adding to their workload.

you think assisted dying will be available on the nhs?
lol.
you can't even get a dentist these days.

Not to mention that family court judges have zero medical expertise and spend most of their time dealing with divorce.

Assume the medical advice given to the judges will be adequte for them to make an informed decision.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It’s not about broken public services it’s about adding to their workload.

Adding to the workload of broken public services is a double whammy

 

[ellal]

It’s not about broken public services it’s about adding to their workload.

Not to mention that family court judges have zero medical expertise and spend most of their time dealing with divorce.

What addition to the workload?

And as for judges, do they not already deal with cases where life support is requested by the medical community to be withdrawn...

Judges are there to uphold the law, and they take medical advice...

It's the current law around assisted dying that is wrong, because people must be given the choice!

 

[denso13]

It's the current law around assisted dying that is wrong, because people must be given the choice!

I don't necessarily disagree, but there is more to it than just choice alone. It depends on the correct procedures and safeguards being in place, which will be the next debate to be had.

 

[motorbiking]

you think assisted dying will be available on the nhs?
lol.
you can't even get a dentist these days.


Assume the medical advice given to the judges will be adequte for them to make an informed decision.

It's a gated process not an expert witness scenario. For it to get to the judge it must be certified by two doctors. There is nothing for the Judge to make an informed decision on. He simply decides if the doctors have signed off that the person is terminally ill, likely to die in <6 months and has made an informed choice.

Getting a judge to check the paperwork is as stupid as getting a Judge to check a consent order that has been drafted by 3 barristers and at least 2 lawyers. But they do a lot of that too. Currently it takes around 4 months (Agreement to sealed order).

 

[ellal]

I don't necessarily disagree, but there is more to it than just choice alone. It depends on the correct procedures and safeguards being in place, which will be the next debate to be had.

Of course there has to be proper scrutiny...

But this bill imo having read it does just that...

What we are in danger of is procrastination and people suffering needlessly...

How many issues in the UK end up going on and on without resolution because no-one is prepared to make a decision that is in the best interests of the individual !

 

[blup]

Sounds like the judges scrutiny is a sop to the naysayers. So we will end up with doctors signing off the death warrant, doctors who swear an oath to preserve life. The bill drives a coach and horses through their hippocratic oath. .

 

[ellal]

Sounds like the judges scrutiny is a sop to the naysayers. So we will end up with doctors signing off the death warrant, doctors who swear an oath to preserve life. The bill drives a coach and horses through their hippocratic oath. .

You really don't have a clue do you...

Take off your blinkers and then you might understand...

You might not want the choice but the majority do!

 

[blup]

You really don't have a clue do you...

Take off your blinkers and then you might understand...

You might not want the choice but the majority do!

The majority wanted brexhit but weren't so sure about the detail. Leaving to one side the principle, the way things stand the choice will only create delay and uncertainty which is the very opposite of what the promoters claim.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The majority wanted brexhit but weren't so sure about the detail. Leaving to one side the principle, the way things stand the choice will only create delay and uncertainty which is the very opposite of what the promoters claim.

But even that is still more than we currently have