They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[denso13]

ahh..

made much higher risk for those administering the drugs following the Shipman case.

Possibly. But it happens.

 

[motorbiking]

Medical Examiner's office was established pretty much with Shipman in mind. Too risky for a Hospice doctor/nurse to administer a lethal dose and risk external testing of the body. But they do their best to be generous with the drugs, to ease suffering.

 

[denso13]

But they do their best to be generous with the drugs

That's one way of putting it.

 

[Odds]

A 40 page bill to allow people to commit sui cide, something wrong when it takes that many safeguards

I wouldn't call it suicide by this definition.
If your prognosis is terminal the end is already in sight and cannot be medically treated, whereas a suicidal person still has the option of seeking treatment for their condition, in most cases.

 

[blup]

I wouldn't call it suicide by this definition.
If your prognosis is terminal the end is already in sight and cannot be medically treated, whereas a suicidal person still has the option of seeking treatment for their condition, in most cases.

There is no real difference between mental and physical health, a person with a settled intention, backed up by medical history, will be able to use the Act

 

[Odds]

There is no real difference between mental and physical health, a person with a settled intention, backed up by medical history, will be able to use the Act

you think a cancer can develop through a psychomatic symptom?

 

[blup]

you think a cancer can develop through a psychomatic symptom?

I think medical science increasingly recognise that, but that was not the point

 

[motorbiking]

There is no real difference between mental and physical health, a person with a settled intention, backed up by medical history, will be able to use the Act

The whole point is a fit and able person is able to take their life in any number of ways. The terminally ill cancer or MND person is having their capacity eaten away to the point where they need the help of someone else.

I personally don't see much difference between them being given a lot of valium and morphine (legally), which stops the body fighting death. I don't really see the need for such a complex process for someone wanting to go "a bit earlier".

 

[blup]

The whole point is a fit and able person is able to take their life in any number of ways. The terminally ill cancer or MND person is having their capacity eaten away to the point where they need the help of someone else.

I personally don't see much difference between them being given a lot of valium and morphine (legally), which stops the body fighting death. I don't really see the need for such a complex process for someone wanting to go "a bit earlier".

It has to be self administered, The person who helps the administering could get up to 14 years in prison if anything goes wrong, and we know these things are looked at in hindsight by the police snd the cps.

 

[motorbiking]

Thats basically the same as Switzerland, but you can press a button rather than drink the poison.

 

[blup]

So we've copied Switzerland and made the journey shorter.

 

[Odds]

I think medical science increasingly recognise that, but that was not the point

The point of legislating the Bill is to have a process to identify any psychological issues which could impair their judgement in making such a decision. People can still take matters into their own hands, but this legislation is also designed to ensure no accusation of coercion or even murder can be applied to surviving members of the family.

 

[motorbiking]

So we've copied Switzerland and made the journey shorter.

Apart from the need for the judge.

 

[Odds]

Apart from the need for the judge.

Judges. Plural. Two of 'em.

 

[blup]

The point of legislating the Bill is to have a process to identify any psychological issues which could impair their judgement in making such a decision.

Its equally irrational to end your own life for physical or mental reasons

People can still take matters into their own hands, but this legislation is also designed to ensure no accusation of coercion or even murder can be applied to surviving members of the family.

What if “the family” don't want to kill their loved one? Do you google it, and rely on which company has paid for the first return? This is reducing someones life to a series of procedures with potential to make money. It interferes with the excellent but underfunded palliative care pathways that have been developed, and assumes people reach a point where a box is ticked.