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motorbiking said:
It could but not how it’s currently written. I would like the high court element removed unless there are objections and I would like the diagnosis extended to 12 months. Otherwise this bill delivers nothing that cannot be achieved with palliative care.
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yes I agree, we could end up with somebody wanting a peaceful, dignified death having the stress of months of legal wrangling.

If we end up with a law that means approval happens after somebody has died, we've gone backwards not forwards
 
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Notch7 said:
Indeed

and neither is the assisted dying bill "suicide"
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suicide the act of taking your own life. Assisting, anything you do to help or encourage, irrelevant of whether it is helpful or not.

Suicide Act 1961

An Act to amend the law of England and Wales relating to suicide, and for purposes connected therewith.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk
 
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denso13 said:
I don't know why that is ok, but choosing it yourself isn't.
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carmanmemoranda said:
Nor me.

And until somebody that supports it being allowed can't explain why choosing it yourself is wrong , then they have a very poor reasoning.
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It is very odd. There are dozens of ways to end your life reasonably painlessly, with non-prescription methods. I'm not going to say how.

At the same time a hospice GP, can give you sedatives, pain relief various drugs to minimise suffering. So in many regard this law seems pointlessly complex.
 
denso13 said:
Doesn't explain how a nurse can choose to end things, but an individual can't ask for it in advance.
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how does a nurse choose to end things legally? They aren't permitted to do anything with the intention of speeding up death. I appreciate you might have different experiences and I would say in my own observation I felt they were very close to crossing the line. But I felt they didn't cross the line.
 
The body seems to naturally fight death, being given strong pain killers and sedation you would think would definitely inhibit its ability, but the research I found suggests otherwise. I guess being relaxed and calm helps the body last a bit longer while things are shutting down. That is different to being given a fatal dose of opioids, that would kill a healthy person.
 
A fatal dose of opioids (doctor prescribed) can be relatively quick in some and take much longer in others, there is nothing to suggest that would be different with assisted dying. Or worse, as seen with botched death penalties in the US. There may be a way forward that is compassionate but doesn't involve state sponsored suicide, for example cps guidance, or acceptable medical advances. But end of life is not the same as ending life
 
so what are you objecting to? the ability to take a fatal dose, or the process to apply to legally receive it? or do you think the state is encouraging it with the bill and publicity?
 
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