****** to be obliterated from our history!

[festive]

I don't care about whether Guy Gibson is recognised as being a racist. I'm ambivalent on that aspect. I have my opinion. I can understand and I support the RAF in their fight against racism within the military.
If removing the usage of racist terminology by one of its illustrious members is part of that process, full marks to them, I say.

Ok so you find it offensive you want it removed everywhere right? Do a search for ni gga in popular artists like Kanye West.. please ping him a mail ask him to remove his offensive words...
What about this song

have this deleted too...

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Ok so you find it offensive you want it removed everywhere right?

Wrong.
It only needs to be removed when and if it has racist connotations.
If you think the word has racist connotations in Rap music, please provide an argument to justify your opinion.

 

[Trazor]

Wrong.
It only needs to be removed when and if it has racist connotations.
If you think the word has racist connotations in Rap music, please provide an argument to justify your opinion.

This word is racially offensive, and to justify it as acceptable because it's rap music is ideological nonsense.

It's just music, If Adele brought a song out with this word in, you would be demanding its removal.

 

[Brigadier]

It only needs to be removed when and if it has racist connotations.

The dog was a black labrador. So should the name stay, as it wasn't used as a racial slur?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

This word is racially offensive, and to justify it as acceptable because it's rap music is ideological nonsense.

I'm not justifying it.
With any word, it can have racist connotations, or not.
The usage of the word 'black' could have had racist connotations at one time, but that seems to have rescinded.
There were idiots who reduced the argument to wanting to remove the word 'black' from the vocabulary, as in blackboard, blackmail, etc., which was absurd.
If a black person uses a word to address a friend, who is also black, it may not be racist or offensive. But if the same person used that word to a stranger, it could be construed as racist and offensive.
It ought to be an individual (or organisation) who decides whether they wish to use the word or not, but there are social pressures. That individual or organisation needs to be aware of, and take notice of those social pressures.

There are usages of familiar expressions in different languages that would be considered bizarre in other cultures, e.g. mon petit chou = my little cabbage or my duck = mon canard. I'm not sure of the relevance to this discussion, but it's context that determines whether a word is offensive or not.

It's just music, If Adele brought a song out with this word in, you would be demanding its removal.

Would I? I doubt if I'd be aware of it.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The dog was a black labrador. So should the name stay, as it wasn't used as a racial slur?

I suggest you research Guy Gibson's views on politics and society.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Patti Smith wrote a song - Rock and Roll ******.
It's been covered by other white artists.
Is it acceptable that it's on youtube for millions to see? Far more than a dog in a airbase anyway.

What about the white kids who sing along to their fav rap artist who uses the word in their lyrics?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Patti Smith wrote a song - Rock and Roll ******.
It's been covered by other white artists.
Is it acceptable that it's on youtube for millions to see? Far more than a dog in a airbase anyway.

What about the white kids who sing along to their fav rap artist who uses the word in their lyrics?

You must rate my opinions highly.
Do you intend to trawl the internet to find every incidence of a word that you think I might have an opinion on?
I don't know the song, I've never been aware of it. I have no intention of forming an opinion of it.

 

[sodthisforfun]

You must rate my opinions highly.
Do you intend to trawl the internet to find every incidence of a word that you think I might have an opinion on?
I don't know the song, I've never been aware of it. I have no intention of forming an opinion of it.

No, of course you don't.

And no, I didn't trawl the internet. I'm an alternative music fan, I know the song. What a stupid attempt to put me down Himmy.

 

[sodthisforfun]

I suggest you research Guy Gibson's views on politics and society.

Then to remove the dogs name is denying the chance for people to know what type of man he was, which you seem all for.

See, censoring is a slippery slope.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

The answer to your question: "it was a derogatory word that we don't use anymore." Simple enough?

It became derogatory when used on a person, it certainly wasn't derogatory as a word, or when used as a dog's name. In my youth lots of dogs were called by that name, when they were black. White people are sometimes called 'chalkie', people with a surname White are often called 'chalkie White' Where is the problem?

Italian (and in many other languages) for black is nero. Not to far from the *** word.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

No, of course you don't.

If you knew that I didn't know the song, why ask my opinion of it, Blightymam?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Given Guy Gibson's intolerant political and social views, I think the RAF have acted properly to remove the racist slur employed by Guy Gibson in the naming his dog.
I guess that's what happens when you open a can of worms.

I doubt that idea even entered his head, any more that I connected the name with a racial slur.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Then to remove the dogs name is denying the chance for people to know what type of man he was, which you seem all for.

You keep making the same untrue accusation, and I keep making the same reply, I'm ambivalent.
Removing the dog's name is removing the stain on the character of the RAF by one of its illustrious former members.
It doesn't deny anyone's opportunity to get to know what type of person was Guy Gibson. It doesn't advertise his intolerant views.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

it certainly wasn't derogatory as a word, or when used as a dog's name.

I doubt that idea even entered his head, ...

As I said to Brigadier, try researching what kind of person was Guy Gibson.