truckers.

[tim west]

We haven't mentioned coal yet. You can make gas and liquid fuels from coal, you can even make plastics The fuel that launched the industrial revolution never went away and there's absolutely loads of it.

Unfortunately Maggie T saw fit to make sure there was no one skilled enough to get at it left in this country.

 

[JohnD]

R J Budge.

 

[Softus]

You're confusing the liner's fuel with the movement of coal out of the mines using a conveyor belt.

 

[joe-90]

Coal, shale oil, oil sands are all possible sources of oil. No-one (at least not me) is doubting that. The point you are all missing is that one little word - "CHEAP". We will always have oil - but not the virtually free energy source that we've had until today. Expensive oil is no use to the World's economy - it has to be cheap. With rising demand and falling supply, then surely even the dumbest of you can see there's an iceberg up ahead (and I don't mean a lettuce)?

 

[blondini]

Interesting metaphor

 

[LionsDen]

You've got a great attitude, Joe: If we can't do something at the moment, just give up and never try. Brilliant. I wonder where we'd be today if all of the past great inventors and scientists had your attitude?

 

[joe-90]

OK - the stage is yours. What do YOU suggest? Which law of physics are you going to break to get us a load of free, transportable energy that's virtually free? No-one on the planet knows where or what it is apart from you - so gwon, give us a clue.

 

[Softus]

What do YOU suggest? Which law of physics are you going to break to get us a load of free, transportable energy that's virtually free?

Aside from the glaring fact that France relies largely on nuclear fission as a source of power, how did you get to this point from your original question? Have you hijacked your own topic?

 

[joe-90]

Are you saying that French cars and trucks don't run on petrol and diesel. Well I never knew that, I must admit. What a clever man you are, Softus. BTW, what do they run on?

 

[megawatt]

LionsDen wrote:

You've got a great attitude, Joe: If we can't do something at the moment, just give up and never try. Brilliant. I wonder where we'd be today if all of the past great inventors and scientists had your attitude

Errrmmm ... Yes, still in caves tilling the land with the arsebone of a giraffe I reckon.

Joe (the luddite) strikes again:

OK - the stage is yours. What do YOU suggest? Which law of physics are you going to break to get us a load of free, transportable energy that's virtually free? No-one on the planet knows where or what it is apart from you - so gwon, give us a clue.

I don't believe that anyone on this forum thinks that they have the answers (Softus excluded of course) nor that they will be the ones to make the next big discovery but where we differ from you Joe is that we have faith that someone will and that today's impossibilities are tomorrow's new physical laws ... It's called Life!

There is no more substance to your view that it will never happen than everyone else's view that it will so stop being such a clown and move on.

MW

 

[Softus]

Are you saying that French cars and trucks don't run on petrol and diesel. Well I never knew that, I must admit. What a clever man you are, Softus. BTW, what do they run on?

I suggest that you rewrite all that with the sarcasm and the mocking removed, then we can have a sensible discussion.

 

[Shytalkz]

Ever the optimist, eh, Soft?

 

[joe-90]

I don't believe that anyone on this forum thinks that they have the answers (Softus excluded of course) nor that they will be the ones to make the next big discovery but where we differ from you Joe is that we have faith that someone will and that today's impossibilities are tomorrow's new physical laws ... It's called Life!

There is no more substance to your view that it will never happen than everyone else's view that it will so stop being such a clown and move on.

MW

You can only have a discovery when a discovery is technically feasible. Simply saying 'life will find a way' is a simply putting your future in 'blind faith'. (not the band). Life will find a way, and unless something comes over the horizon pretty damn fast that way will be a multi-billion person cull. Our population is what it is because (as every other animal) it can be. How many times has Oz had a plague of rabbits in years of plenty, only for them to starve in years of drought/famine? That's nature's way Mega - like it or not. Now we are at a crux where oil supply is no-longer meeting demand - so where is this salvation you are trumpeting? There isn't one is there? You simply won't accept the truth because the truth is just too awful to contemplate. If I'm wrong - show me the next big thing. If you can't - then I must be right.

 

[joe-90]

Are you saying that French cars and trucks don't run on petrol and diesel. Well I never knew that, I must admit. What a clever man you are, Softus. BTW, what do they run on?

I suggest that you rewrite all that with the sarcasm and the mocking removed, then we can have a sensible discussion.

Just answer the questions. Can't do it can you? Joe-90 is just too damn sharp for you.

 

[megawatt]

Joe-90 Wrote:

If I'm wrong - show me the next big thing. If you can't - then I must be right.

I'm not quite sure what you think this forum is Joe so let me clarify ... It's a general discussion forum on an internet DIY advice site ... It's not a forum of nobel winners, prizewinning scientists, NASA or the United Nations.

Why would you possibly think that anyone posting here will have a clue what the next fuel source is likely to be (or not be)?

I have no idea what the future holds regarding energy sources but ... And read this bit carefully ... NEITHER DO YOU.

If you believe in reincarnation it may well be you, though I hope you come back with a more open minded attitude or we're totally f***ed

MW