UK to Rwanda asylum plan ruled unlawful

[diy_fun_uk]

How many asylum seekers and illegal immigrants do we want to have coming every year?

Current cos is £4+bn.

England is the most densely populated part of the U.K. so maybe we build a facility in a north Scotland island ?

I think the numbers (coming in) is a very relevant part of this discussion, however many politicians and talking heads like to say 'it's not about the numbers coming in, it's about blah blah blah.'

Re sending all the migrants to Scotland, you might not have to worry. The SNP/Green coalition love to bleat on about welcoming them with open arms and wanting more. I also mentioned in a previous thread how the SNP suggested building one or two new towns in Scotland (up north I think) almost exclusively if not entirely for housing migrants.

The SNP/Greens love to say how 'the people of Scotland' are welcoming to all. Of course they use the fact we voted to remain in the EU as their proof of this. However I suspect everyone has a tipping point, and even the welcoming people of Scotland might start to have a change of heart depending on the numbers settling here.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

But England is also a safe country, so why spend hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to ship people off to Africa? It's obviously just another money make scheme. Now the government are claiming it is what the British people want - it's a complete joke.

Politicians LOVE to say 'it's what the people of Britain/Scotland/England/Ireland/Wales want' it's a completely baseless statement that means feck all.

I watched Braverman give her update to the house yesterday following the Rwanda ruling. Numerous times folk on that side of the house (and perhaps once or twice on the other) said 'the people of ...'

Yes they're basing the comment on whatever poll / result they want to use to support their argument, however it still means feck all, because it implies 100% or at the very least a high % agree, which most times won't be the case.

 

[noseall]

Both the EU and the UN were instrumental in setting up a migrant camp in Rwanda.

Asylum seekers resettled in Rwanda under EU scheme abandoned to poverty

Refugees tell the Telegraph there is not enough food, housing, medical services and other basic necessities

www.telegraph.co.uk

Rwanda and the UN set up Gashora four years ago with the support of the EU to house refugees who had got stuck in Libya's civil war trying to make it across the Mediterranean.

Applied to people already living in Africa, and who were rescued from life threatening conditions.
Perhaps the UK could ask the EU for funding too. Generous bunch.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Feck me, it was only the other day that a remoaner was saying we would be paying more to send them there. No doubt now they’ll be moaning that we might not be sending anyone there. Never happy, that remoaner lot, are they?

A bunch of gutless clowns.

 

[gant]

And a case of false claim of origin or reason would be a fair reason for refusal of asylum and deportation.

Prison sentence minimum of two years should nip that in the bud trying to gain the system himmy.

 

[Mister Banks]

But England is also a safe country, so why spend hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to ship people off to Africa? It's obviously just another money make scheme. Now the government are claiming it is what the British people want - it's a complete joke.

So is France, Spain, Italy, Greece and all the other European countries they pass through. We somehow need to stop the economic illegal immigration as we can’t carry on like we have been, it’s costing the taxpayer far too much.

 

[Brigadier]

It would be logical to me, that the origin and the reason for the asylum claim go hand-in-hand.
The one cannot be validated without the other.

Which is exactly my point.

The claimant remains in a state of perpetual limbo: can't be granted asylum (through their own refusal to cooperate), and can't be sent anywhere else (because we know not where that is).

 

[gant]

Now Economic Migration is a different kettle of fish. Economic migrants bring required and desired skills and investment into the country.

Can't say I go a bundle on knife wielding, drug dealing, prostitution etc but each to their own.

 

[blup]

"Asylum, please".

Nothing else.

No papers.

Translators? Not much use if the claimant says nothing.
DNA checks? Gonna give a steer in some cases, but never going to be close to definitive.
Peer identification? If you don't know where the claimant is from, who are you going to ask?

I'm not picking for its own sake; I just don't see how, unless someone is utterly genuine, truthful, worthy, and upfront, it is ever going to be "fast and efficient processing".
The "papers-overboard" claimants are just going to be years' worth of legal wrangling, as far as I can see.

I really don't see this as being a "fast and efficient" situation, unless we just let everyone in, and legitimise them quickly.

It will never be fast and efficient but it is utterly broken atm.

Blup

 

[diy_fun_uk]

It will never be fast and efficient but it is utterly broken atm.

Blup

I don't think they want to fix it for all the reasons given by some in this and other threads.

Maybe not the same but kind of related. I'm sure we had the same goings on when folk were trying to get onto/into/under lorries leaving France for the UK. Week in week out, actual camera footage of folk swarming around lorries, very little appearing to be done to stop them.

Then, eventually, I think the UK sent some second hand security fencing to assist. Ok granted, I don't know what else was being done in collaboration between the French and UK to stop that situation, however the perception from reports was very little.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

It just needs a boat with a big scoop, pick them up then spew them out onto a French beach.

This would only be the reverse of what the French are already doing, they regularly escort them across into British waters then tell the RNLI taxi boats to come and collect them.

 

[mitch66]

Who is "they"?
How often is "regularly"?

French border force. Daily. Don't you have a telly anymore Himmi?

 

[gant]

Bobby Dazzlers run off with it.

 

[gant]

How many of these were Asylum Seekers or Economic Migrants:
The names and faces of 56 criminals jailed in March 2023 - from cowardly killers to family fraudsters

Names and faces of 56 criminals jailed in March 2023

Judges decided only a custodial punishment would suffice

www.lancs.live

Can't see there being any given the platform you speak on Himmy.
Same old, same old eh himmy.

 

[gant]

You know what your like himmy, it all gets pointless in the end having any kind of discussion because of the characteristic prejudices you cannot overcome, resulting in you being banned on here on numerous occasions.