Ukraine counter offensive

[Justin Passing]

"a court of public opinion has ruled that conservatives have violated the public trust. "



but that's a comment about the German government, - some members of which are mithering their way through years-long corruption scandals in their courts
I daresay they have their own Büstenhalterobersturmbannführern.

Biden's kiddin nobody with his "oh we couldn't possibly have any working tanks for a year or so", much the same applies to other countries.

Mass production was a large part of what won ww2. We all including Russia know that. Anybody who REALLY wants to make what's needed, will do it - if they aren't being shelled.

Not all the politicians of Europe, and the world, are as enthusiastic as others.

I wonder who the Chinese will be making them for.

 

[Notch7]

Büstenhalterobersturmbannführern

Yeah well that’s easy for you to say…….

 

[ajohn]

Not all the politicians of Europe, and the world, are as enthusiastic as others.

The German gov gets mentioned in terms of being reluctant on tanks. The situation with their public isn't clear. A crowd saying send them isn't all. A theory I have heard is that Germany wants an diplomatic solution for commercial reasons. An AlJ panel mentioned below. One of their programs that often has people with an axe to grind on it that I seldom watch. Just happened to be on.

Mass production was a large part of what won ww2.

The History Channel has been running a world at war and related series. It makes that abundantly clear with the actual rates achieved. It and related also gives a lot of info on what happened at various times. France and UK ( Dunkirk ) of particular interest as without a couple of factors including an out of date general WWII might not have happened. Also not wanting a war thanks to WWI.

Not all the politicians of Europe, and the world, are as enthusiastic as others.

A pundit on AlJ mentioned a possible reason for that. Escalation and he doesn't mean nuke. Many more dead Ukrainians. There has always been a worry that politicians may find their public eventually gets fed up with supporting it. The other two pundits on AlJ were give them all they want types as bound to win in the end. They will punch through etc. Long range missiles have been mentioned by some.

 

[Justin Passing]

Yes those Yesterday and War Factories progs are illuminating. (There's a trans woman on quite often who's brilliant. She, as a He, was a tactician in the US army).
Jerries were running out of more and more as the war went on. The disparity in numbers grew with just British output, and expoded when the US came in.

Interesting article on shells and their production. NB that different fill, in the Russkie shells, makes a 47% bigger bang than TNT, which Ukraine are using.

Ukraine's Locally Produced Artillery Shells Have Reached The Front

Ukraine is producing its own artillery shells as stocks globally are under pressure due to the huge volume of use in the nearly year-old war.

www.thedrive.com

and still makingm in a number of distributed locations though Ukraine.

Supply-hesitatant countries are likely to be those like Czeck/slovak who are still relying on Russian fuel with no real choice, Orban's Hungary of course (though he's under pressure, with the country on about 20% inflation), and there are below-official undercurrents based on old ethnic grievances in Romania, Poland, Croatia. Plus Turkey, and obviously Pakistan, India, Saudi and others. Those with or near borders would, natch, prefer to see a settlement than heightened conflict and threats of worse. Orban wants to see Ukraine as a "no mans's land".

 

[Odds]

Yes those Yesterday and War Factories progs are illuminating. (There's a trans woman on quite often who's brilliant. She, as a He, was a tactician in the US army).
Jerries were running out of more and more as the war went on. The disparity in numbers grew with just British output, and expoded when the US came in.

Interesting article on shells and their production. NB that different fill, in the Russkie shells, makes a 47% bigger bang than TNT, which Ukraine are using.

Ukraine's Locally Produced Artillery Shells Have Reached The Front

Ukraine is producing its own artillery shells as stocks globally are under pressure due to the huge volume of use in the nearly year-old war.

www.thedrive.com

and still makingm in a number of distributed locations though Ukraine.

Supply-hesitatant countries are likely to be those like Czeck/slovak who are still relying on Russian fuel with no real choice, Orban's Hungary of course (though he's under pressure, with the country on about 20% inflation), and there are below-official undercurrents based on old ethnic grievances in Romania, Poland, Croatia. Plus Turkey, and obviously Pakistan, India, Saudi and others. Those with or near borders would, natch, prefer to see a settlement than heightened conflict and threats of worse. Orban wants to see Ukraine as a "no mans's land".

I remembered him from 'Time Commanders', a computer simulator featuring teams who'd re-enact ancient battles to see how they fared. Aryeh Neusbacher was one of the advisors and it surprised the hell out of me when he turned up a she known as Lynette Neusbacher ten years after on a WWII documentary. The voice was a little higher but still recognisable as the chap from TC. It's a funny old world.

However, mass producing modern tanks would be much more difficult as they're far more complex to build. I read the Yanks aren't sending their most up-to-date versions of the Abrams to prevent super-secret systems becoming widely known, so Ukraine would recieve older versions, already sold to the Saudi's and several other countries.

 

[Vinty]

The Americans dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they did on Germany in WW2 and they still didn't win.
It doesn't really matter how many weapons Ukraine has because they will always have a border with Russia.
There will never be peace in the region until both sides come to an agreement that secures Ukranian independence and addresses Russia's legitimate security concerns.
The big problem is there are too many vested interests who don't want peace and want to escalate the war, they are prepared to use the Ukrainians as a battering ram against Russia.

 

[JohnD]

The Americans dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they did on Germany in WW2 and they still didn't win.

Bombing the civil population does not win wars, as has been pointed out before.

It stiffens the public resolve.

 

[Stivino]

both sides come to an agreement that secures Ukranian independence and addresses Russia's legitimate security concerns.

I thought they already had that?

 

[Notch7]

Russia's legitimate security concerns.

Russia has none.

Please avoid framing Putin as the victim, he is the bully.

 

[transam]

Bombing some 3rd world country is not quite the same as bombing some industrial ( type) western type country

 

[Vinty]

Russia has none

Yes they do.
America was prepared to start a nuclear war to prevent the Russians coming too close to their borders.
Countries which America considered a threat to their national security or economic interests, have had their legitimate governments overthrown or been subjected to invasion under the pretext of "Humanitarian intervention".

Your problem Notchy, is that you are living in the last century when Europeans had real global clout, the empires are all gone, your delusions about EU sanctions collapsing the Russian economy are just that, delusions, the centre of economic gravity has been shifting east for decades, you just haven't noticed it.

 

[IT Minion]

This war has shown how weak Russia really is. It has already had an impact on their ability to influence the smaller nations around them.

They're entirely dependent on their gas and oil, now the world is starting to move away from them they're stuffed in the long run.

 

[ellal]

This war has shown how weak Russia really is. It has already had an impact on their ability to influence the smaller nations around them.

They're entirely dependent on their gas and oil, now the world is starting to move away from them they're stuffed in the long run.

They've still got nukes and a governing system that would be difficult to stop from using them...

So not so 'weak' at all !

 

[JohnD]

They've still got nukes and a governing system that would be difficult to stop from using them...

So not so 'weak' at all !

That's an interesting point.

What would happen to Russia if it launched a nuclear attack on a NATO country?

Perhaps Vlad Vinty can tell us.

So far they have used up most of their tanks, ammunition, money and soldiers attacking a relatively small, relatively weak (but very determined) country.

 

[Vinty]

Perhaps Vlad Vinty can tell us.

You are more obsessed about Putin than i am.
You should get out of the house more and stop worrying about wars that have nothing to do with you.
Quite ironic that you and Boris Johnson are now both singing off the same hymn sheet when it comes to Ukraine.
Old Nigel explains.