Ukraine counter offensive

[denso13]

The Nazis thought the same thing.

Vlad the Invader has proved it himself. What a pathetic excuse for an army.

 

[denso13]

If that's the case, why are the Russians still in Ukraine.

Because of the number superiority

If that's the case

If it isn't the case why are they stuck where they are, 1 year since the special military operation started, 9 years since the first invasion of Ukraine territory.

 

[Brigadier]

Unfortunately though, one of the few things in vlad land that is not tin-pot. Is his enormous arsenal of intercontinental nuclear missiles. What might he do the moment before defeat and losing face become inevitable?

Nukes cost a fortune to maintain in a state that they will actually work.

As likely that the money to maintain them was siphoned off, and the stuff to maintain them with was sold off, as anything else.

 

[Justin Passing]

If that's the case, why are the Russians still in Ukraine.
You should get over there before its all over.

Because they have:
1) far higher numbers (despite all the stupidity in JohnD's trolling)
2) the ability to hit their agonist's infrastructure and supply lines without having to suffer the same.

As long as they're occupying land in Ukraine, they're winning.

If (big if) they have the ability to carry on hitting say transport, power generation and fuel supplies, they could bring life in the country to a virtual standstill - a no-man's land, as one Putin sympathiser (Victor Orban iirc) suggested. That alone still wouldn't be an and of it.

Media is full of "options for the end of the war". Most of them rely on each side accepting the end, or at least trusting that the other side won't keep breaking it.
Even if Russia collapses, give it a few decades and they'll be back?

 

[Vinty]

The Russian army were supposed to be up there amongst the best but they can't even quell much smaller forces in a neighbouring country

Bit like Vietnam, outside powers feed the conflict with weapons and political support.
Ukraine is a proxy for America /EU geopolitical ambitions to bring down Russia in order to replace the existing political establishment with pro EU/American stooges in order to take advantage of Russian natural resources.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If that's the case, why are the Russians still in Ukraine.
You should get over there before its all over.

Now, here's a question for you.

Why are the Russians still in Ukraine ? It is not their country.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Bit like Vietnam, outside powers feed the conflict with weapons and political support.
Ukraine is a proxy for America /EU geopolitical ambitions to bring down Russia in order to replace the existing political establishment with pro EU/American stooges in order to take advantage of Russian natural resources.

Or on the quiet? You know, Trump

 

[ajohn]

There seems to be much enthusuiasm for pointing to Putin's weakness. With some rather silly diaphanous reasons.
Falling life expectancy and Covid deaths, FFS. Quantify the difference on those wrt Ukraine. Or rather, don't, it's trolling.

Ukraine has a load of keen citizens in the fight, yes.
Is there anything else they have more of than Russia?
Is their economy in a better state?
Will a few dozen tanks - or promise of them, make a difference?
At the moment it all appears to me to be heading for something approaching a stalemate, with Russian incompetence failing to completely deny their might from moving forwards. So a slow grind westwards, then.
If a few extra guns make no lasting progress, how long will the West keep sending them?

Yes there is a lot questions really even how long the keenness will last.
Russian incompetence? I'd question that as a lot of it is urban warfare. That aspect is what is reported. Capturing or recapturing.

Before hitting reply I had a listen to war in ukraine. He mentions keenness in a different way and wonders if it will last. He forgets that as with D day soldiers can find themselves in a position where the best chance of survival is to fight as hard as possible. The first 20 odd mins are general chit chat as they have been for some time. Report on fighting much the same as some weeks ago but this time no comment that the only ones attacking are Russians.That is what he shows. Then Russia stalled on some of the fronts - are they or are the just holding.

If you want more watch it yourself.

I just try to get an objective view on what is happening. That's not supporting Russia. I see some unfortunate signs of late not that this means Russia will get it's way.

The Russian oil price cap comes into force shortly. I wonder why so long. It was mentioned initially months ago.

 

[Vinty]

Because of the number superiority

If it isn't the case why are they stuck where they are, 1 year since the special military operation started, 9 years since the first invasion of Ukraine territory.

It appears to me that it is Ukraine that is stuck.
The overthrow of the democratically elected leader of that country triggered a civil war which appears to have no prospect of ending anytime soon.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes there is a lot questions really even how long the keenness will last.
Russian incompetence? I'd question that as a lot of it is urban warfare. That aspect is what is reported. Capturing or recapturing.

Before hitting reply I had a listen to war in ukraine. He mentions keenness in a different way and wonders if it will last. He forgets that as with D day soldiers can find themselves in a position where the best chance of survival is to fight as hard as possible. The first 20 odd mins are general chit chat as they have been for some time. Report on fighting much the same as some weeks ago but this time no comment that the only ones attacking are Russians.That is what he shows. Then Russia stalled on some of the fronts - are they or are the just holding.

If you want more watch it yourself.

I just try to get an objective view on what is happening. That's not supporting Russia. I see some unfortunate signs of late not that this means Russia will get it's way.

The Russian oil price cap comes into force shortly. I wonder why so long. It was mentioned initially months ago.

If you think you are going to get important accurate unbiased reporting of the war whilst it is going on, then you surprise me. It is difficult to get that information years and years after any war, or special operation.

The 1 indisputable fact remains. Russia invaded Ukraine. It resulted in Ukraine fighting for its very survival, aided by supplies from the west.

Anything more than that is very difficult to determine.

 

[denso13]

Ukraine is a proxy for America /EU geopolitical ambitions to bring down Russia in order to replace the existing political establishment with pro EU/American stooges in order to take advantage of Russian natural resources.

Vlad the invader is falling for it hook, line and sinker then. Thick as two short planks if he can't work out what you can.

 

[transam]

There will be no end to this war

Untill there is some type of deal cooked up by those concerned

And the Crimea will def not be on the Russian table

 

[Vinty]

Now, here's a question for you.

Why are the Russians still in Ukraine ? It is not their country.

The Russians created modern Ukraine, maybe they want to fix that mistake.

 

[denso13]

It appears to me that it is Ukraine that is stuck.

Vlad's forces have made little impact in 12 months. He thought it would all be over in weeks.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The Russians created modern Ukraine, maybe they want to fix that mistake.

Ukraine gained independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved, and declared itself neutral.[12] A new constitution was adopted in 1996. A series of mass demonstrations, known as the Euromaidan, led to the establishment of a new government in 2014 after a revolution. Russia then unilaterally annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula; and pro-Russian unrest culminated in a war between Russian-backed separatists and government forces in eastern Ukraine. Russia later launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Since the outbreak of war with Russia, Ukraine has continued to seek closer ties with the European Union and NATO.[13]

Ukraine - Wikipedia

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Lots of more info about it on the net.

It is a sovereign state in it's own right.

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