Ukraine, Light At the End Of The Tunnel, THE END GAME

[transam]

Assume what you like who cares

Nato has stated that any use of chemical weapons in Ukraine will be a red line resulting in severe consequences

mind you the UK Parliament voted against action against Assad / Russians for using chemical weapons in Syria in 2013

Cameron was in favour

The Labour Party voted against en masse

 

[Vinty]

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[Vinty]

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you mean the Americans threatened Russia with nuclear war if they started building a nuclear missile site in reach of America

I think you will find that was Russia being the aggressor that time

as it is this time

America had placed missiles within reach of Russia.
That is what triggered the Cuban missile crisis.
War was only averted when the Americans agreed to remove their missiles in return for the Russians removing theirs.

Quote.
Location
Cuba
Result

• Publicized removal of the Soviet Union's nuclear missiles from Cuba
• Non-publicized removal of American nuclear missiles from Turkey and Italy
• Agreement with the Soviet Union that the United States would never invade Cuba without direct provocation
• Creation of a nuclear hotline between the United States and the Soviet Union

The Russians allowed the Americans to claim victory.

 

[Vinty]

That's a interesting distortion intended to mislead.

It's down 19% in 12 months

Or year to date

Or since 1st Feb



Fake news from Putin supporter vinty the brexer.

Your figures only go up to 1st of February.
Latest news.
Russia's currency rises following reports Putin will require hostile nations to pay for Russian gas using rubles.

 

[Vinty]

innocent country

Curious term Notch.
What is your definition of an innocent country.

 

[ajohn]

America had placed missiles within reach of Russia

More correctly could get there sooner due to distance. You might call it the early warning race. Russia eventually had the Woodpecker facing west. Suspect the USA had warnings via stations in Europe. Not sure. There was argument about USA intent of installing stuff to spot Iranian missiles. Russia not happy so the idea was dropped. They offered use of one of their stations but USA wouldn't have it. Obama found some other way of doing it.

The current Russian "demands" are in part taking Europe based warhead back home.

Things aren't so simple these days. Missiles from either side can arrive from either direction. Warning systems just need enough time to hit the button to reply to incomings.

TBH in this area I have to wonder which side is worse.

 

[transam]

In a nut shell JFK started the Cuban caper

and afaik the Russians already had
Nukes in Cuba prior to this ship stopping caper

 

[transam]

In a nut shell JFK started the Cuban caper

and afaik the Russians already had
Nukes in Cuba prior to this ship stopping caper

but this has got nowt to do with the current caper in the Ukraine

 

[Vinty]

More correctly could get there sooner due to distance. You might call it the early warning race. Russia eventually had the Woodpecker facing west. Suspect the USA had warnings via stations in Europe. Not sure. There was argument about USA intent of installing stuff to spot Iranian missiles. Russia not happy so the idea was dropped. They offered use of one of their stations but USA wouldn't have it. Obama found some other way of doing it.

The current Russian "demands" are in part taking Europe based warhead back home.

Things aren't so simple these days. Missiles from either side can arrive from either direction. Warning systems just need enough time to hit the button to reply to incomings.

TBH in this area I have to wonder which side is worse.

At least during the Cuban missile crisis, sanity prevailed and a deal was done.

The Russians allowed America to save face, which was very important to them, while Russia got what it wanted and Cuba got a security Guarantee.

 

[JohnD]

Your figures only go up to 1st of February.

No, 25th March actually.

tw@

 

[ajohn]

Cuba got a security Guarantee.

And the USA tried to poison Castro.

The missile thing cropped up ~12months after the Bay Of Pigs. A not so covert action as it was intended to be.

 

[Vinty]

No, 25th March actually.

tw@

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Why quote the last 12 months, why not the last 12years or for that matter, the last 120 years.
The facts are that the Ruble rose in value.
That was my original point.

 

[JohnD]

Here we are

you mentioned 1st Feb

look at this and see if you can guess when Putin kicked off.

it's down about 20% like I said.

 

[JohnD]

yesterday you claimed

Apparently the Rouble has gone up against the pound.

A very misleading assertion.

Here's the one year chart.
It's gone down about 20%, like I said

 

[JohnD]

And the 12-year chart you asked for shows not only the Ukraine invasion effect, but also the Crimea invasion effect.

Rouble going up, you think?



The nonsense you pick up from your pro-Putin sources is clearly rubbish.