ULEZ Sabotage!

[carmanmemoranda]

Loss of economy of scale for logistics is the obvious disadvantage (15 minute cities).

Yes. There are other advantages though.

 

[denso13]

Yes, to help with climate change

It's got very little to do with climate change, that's not why they are being introduced.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes, to help with climate change, you can drive out to the ring road go around the ring road and back into another area of the city, which might be a few hundred yards from where you started.

But will only be used by those that specifically want or need to go there.

Not sure they are the right answer to the issues, but not many alternatives being put up by the nosiy objectors.

 

[pcaouolte]

But will only be used by those that specifically want or need to go there.

Not sure they are the right answer to the issues, but not many alternatives being put up by the nosiy objectors.

Yes, most people only travel when they specifically want or need to go somewhere.

I have no problem with a 15 minute city, I would love to be able to walk or cycle to shops, doctors and schools. However, when it is pouring with rain or I need to transport heavy or bulky items I still want the option to use my car.

Councils seem to be introducing more measures to restrict the use of cars just as cars are getting cleaner and having less effect on the environment. I suspect that it has more to do with councils getting extra income through grants and fines than any actual desire to create a better environment for residents.

If most of the population want to walk or cycle then there should be no need to restrict car use to force people to do so.

 

[IT Minion]

If most of the population want to walk or cycle then there should be no need to restrict car use to force people to do so.

I wish the world was that simple, but it isn't.

It is obvious that if there's a nice pleasant footpath then you're more likely to walk than if there's a muddy path by a 50mph dual carriageway.

It's also obvious that you're more likely to cycle if there's a safe bike path instead of that 50mph dual carriageway.

The physical environment makes a difference to your transport choices. It's silly to assume otherwise.

 

[pcaouolte]

I wish the world was that simple, but it isn't.

It is obvious that if there's a nice pleasant footpath then you're more likely to walk than if there's a muddy path by a 50mph dual carriageway.

It's also obvious that you're more likely to cycle if there's a safe bike path instead of that 50mph dual carriageway.

The physical environment makes a difference to your transport choices. It's silly to assume otherwise.

Agree with all of that. I also agree that 15 minute cities which promote walking and cycling are a good thing, they should create an environment where people want to walk or cycle. If the 15 minute city idea is implemented properly then people will only want to use their cars occasionally, there should be no need to restrict car use.

 

[gant]

Where do the criminal element fit into this with their nefarious ways of wanting your watch and bike.
Going by bus can be a bit of an experience in our cities, long gone are the days when a sole nutter jasper carrot got saddled with are an exception to the rule, now it seems the sane ones are an exception to the rule.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Where do the criminal element fit into this with their nefarious ways of wanting your watch and bike.
Going by bus can be a bit of an experience in our cities, long gone are the days when a sole nutter jasper carrot got saddled with are an exception to the rule, now it seems the sane ones are an exception to the rule.

You travel on many buses ?

 

[gant]

I live on major bus route to a city so it can be convenient to use but it's best to pick your moments.
How was the answer does it fit in with you didn't think I did?
You travel on many buses?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I travel on them infrequently, but a lot when I do. I don't recognise your description of the average bus user though.