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Read your own source. His talking about what it says in the holy book.

Rape comment controversy returns to haunt IDF chief rabbi nominee

www.thejc.com

Rabbi Karim issued a clarification in 2012 regarding his comments, stating that “obviously, in our times, when the world has advanced to a level of morality in which one does not marry captives, one must not perform this act, which is also entirely against the army’s values and orders.”

 

[fillyboy]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl/index.html

Simchat Greyman had to pause several times when describing the evidence of sexual violence he saw when recovering bodies of victims of the October 7 Hamas terror attack on Israel.

One body was so severely brutalized that he and his colleagues from ZAKA, the ultra-orthodox Jewish human remains recovery organization, couldn’t tell whether it was a man or a woman.

Greyman described finding a woman who was shot in the back of her head, lying on her bed, naked from her waist down. A live grenade was planted in her hand.

And then there was the body with the nails.

“I was called into a house, I was told there are few bodies over there. I saw in front of my eyes a woman, laying (down). She was naked and she had nails …,” Greyman managed to say before pausing for a long time, struggling to get the words out.

“She had nails and different objects in her female organs. Her body was brutalized in a way that we could not identify her,” he added, the trauma clearly visible on his face.

Greyman was testifying at a United Nations session on sexual and gender-based violence in the October 7 Hamas terror attack, hosted by Israel at the UN headquarters in New York on Monday.

He was one of several eyewitnesses invited to address the meeting, providing evidence that sexual violence and rape occurred and were weaponized by Hamas during the attacks.

CNN cannot independently verify individual allegations and claims. However, several first responders who attended the scenes of the October 7 attack told CNN the attacks were overwhelmingly gruesome and that some female victims were found undressed.

The evidence of sexual violence presented during the session at the UN was ample and overwhelming and came from different sources.

While Greyman spoke about his experience from the search and rescue operations, Yael Richert, a superintendent with the Israel Police, shared information gathered during the investigation so far.

She said survivors of the terror attack told investigators they witnessed Hamas terrorists perpetrating sexual violence against the victims. She quoted testimonies of several individuals all of whom either directly witnessed sexual violence or saw clear evidence of it.

“There were girls with broken pelvis due to repetitive rapes, their legs were split wide apart in a split,” Richert quoted one survivor of the Nova music festival massacre as saying.

“We heard girls that were pulled out from the shelters. Girls that shouted. They raped girls. Burnt them just after that. All the bodies outside were burnt,” Richert said, reading from another testimony.

Shari Mendes, an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) reservist who looked after the bodies of female soldiers killed during the attack, also described the evidence she saw, saying many of the bodies arrived in “bloody shredded rags or just an underwear and their underwear was often very bloody.”

Photographs and videos from the scenes back Mendes’ accounts. A video geolocated by CNN to a neighborhood in Gaza, showed a young, barefoot woman pulled from the trunk of a Jeep by a gunman and then forced into the backseat of the car. Her trousers were soaked with what appeared to be blood.

“Our team commander saw several female soldiers who were shot in their crotch, intimate parts, vagina, or shot in the breast. There seem to be a systematic genital mutilation of a group of victims,” she added.

 

[Roy Bloom]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl/index.html

Simchat Greyman had to pause several times when describing the evidence of sexual violence he saw when recovering bodies of victims of the October 7 Hamas terror attack on Israel.

One body was so severely brutalized that he and his colleagues from ZAKA, the ultra-orthodox Jewish human remains recovery organization, couldn’t tell whether it was a man or a woman.

Greyman described finding a woman who was shot in the back of her head, lying on her bed, naked from her waist down. A live grenade was planted in her hand.

And then there was the body with the nails.

“I was called into a house, I was told there are few bodies over there. I saw in front of my eyes a woman, laying (down). She was naked and she had nails …,” Greyman managed to say before pausing for a long time, struggling to get the words out.

“She had nails and different objects in her female organs. Her body was brutalized in a way that we could not identify her,” he added, the trauma clearly visible on his face.

Greyman was testifying at a United Nations session on sexual and gender-based violence in the October 7 Hamas terror attack, hosted by Israel at the UN headquarters in New York on Monday.

He was one of several eyewitnesses invited to address the meeting, providing evidence that sexual violence and rape occurred and were weaponized by Hamas during the attacks.

CNN cannot independently verify individual allegations and claims. However, several first responders who attended the scenes of the October 7 attack told CNN the attacks were overwhelmingly gruesome and that some female victims were found undressed.

The evidence of sexual violence presented during the session at the UN was ample and overwhelming and came from different sources.

While Greyman spoke about his experience from the search and rescue operations, Yael Richert, a superintendent with the Israel Police, shared information gathered during the investigation so far.

She said survivors of the terror attack told investigators they witnessed Hamas terrorists perpetrating sexual violence against the victims. She quoted testimonies of several individuals all of whom either directly witnessed sexual violence or saw clear evidence of it.

“There were girls with broken pelvis due to repetitive rapes, their legs were split wide apart in a split,” Richert quoted one survivor of the Nova music festival massacre as saying.

“We heard girls that were pulled out from the shelters. Girls that shouted. They raped girls. Burnt them just after that. All the bodies outside were burnt,” Richert said, reading from another testimony.

Shari Mendes, an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) reservist who looked after the bodies of female soldiers killed during the attack, also described the evidence she saw, saying many of the bodies arrived in “bloody shredded rags or just an underwear and their underwear was often very bloody.”

Photographs and videos from the scenes back Mendes’ accounts. A video geolocated by CNN to a neighborhood in Gaza, showed a young, barefoot woman pulled from the trunk of a Jeep by a gunman and then forced into the backseat of the car. Her trousers were soaked with what appeared to be blood.

“Our team commander saw several female soldiers who were shot in their crotch, intimate parts, vagina, or shot in the breast. There seem to be a systematic genital mutilation of a group of victims,” she added.

The Chief Rabbi condoned sexual vilens against Palestinians by IDF soldiers in 2002.
Your graphic article does not refute that.

If one nation condones sexual violence, do you think their protaganists are unaware of that.

Violence condoned by one party suggests that it's acceptable. They can hardly complain when it's meted out to them. They've already surrendered the moral high ground, twenty years ago,

 

[Deleted member 294929]

It's been demonstrated throughout history that conflict is not the road to peace.
It merely perpetuates the conflct.

Roy I think in this case you are right. Then come October 7.

 

[fillyboy]

They can hardly complain when it's meted out to them.

They had it coming did they?

 

[Deleted member 294929]

You obviously can't differentiate between Jews, Israelis and Zionists.
if you need an explanation, I'm happy to oblige.

Jews Israelis Zionists - Google Search

www.google.com

Nor can you Roy. You talk about Zionist as if every Israeli every Jew is a right wing nutter.

Israel and Jews just want to live in peace.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

They had it coming did they?

If they are going to be Jewish then what do they expect?

 

[gant]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl/index.html

Simchat Greyman had to pause several times when describing the evidence of sexual violence he saw when recovering bodies of victims of the October 7 Hamas terror attack on Israel.

One body was so severely brutalized that he and his colleagues from ZAKA, the ultra-orthodox Jewish human remains recovery organization, couldn’t tell whether it was a man or a woman.

Greyman described finding a woman who was shot in the back of her head, lying on her bed, naked from her waist down. A live grenade was planted in her hand.

And then there was the body with the nails.

“I was called into a house, I was told there are few bodies over there. I saw in front of my eyes a woman, laying (down). She was naked and she had nails …,” Greyman managed to say before pausing for a long time, struggling to get the words out.

“She had nails and different objects in her female organs. Her body was brutalized in a way that we could not identify her,” he added, the trauma clearly visible on his face.

Greyman was testifying at a United Nations session on sexual and gender-based violence in the October 7 Hamas terror attack, hosted by Israel at the UN headquarters in New York on Monday.

He was one of several eyewitnesses invited to address the meeting, providing evidence that sexual violence and rape occurred and were weaponized by Hamas during the attacks.

CNN cannot independently verify individual allegations and claims. However, several first responders who attended the scenes of the October 7 attack told CNN the attacks were overwhelmingly gruesome and that some female victims were found undressed.

The evidence of sexual violence presented during the session at the UN was ample and overwhelming and came from different sources.

While Greyman spoke about his experience from the search and rescue operations, Yael Richert, a superintendent with the Israel Police, shared information gathered during the investigation so far.

She said survivors of the terror attack told investigators they witnessed Hamas terrorists perpetrating sexual violence against the victims. She quoted testimonies of several individuals all of whom either directly witnessed sexual violence or saw clear evidence of it.

“There were girls with broken pelvis due to repetitive rapes, their legs were split wide apart in a split,” Richert quoted one survivor of the Nova music festival massacre as saying.

“We heard girls that were pulled out from the shelters. Girls that shouted. They raped girls. Burnt them just after that. All the bodies outside were burnt,” Richert said, reading from another testimony.

Shari Mendes, an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) reservist who looked after the bodies of female soldiers killed during the attack, also described the evidence she saw, saying many of the bodies arrived in “bloody shredded rags or just an underwear and their underwear was often very bloody.”

Photographs and videos from the scenes back Mendes’ accounts. A video geolocated by CNN to a neighborhood in Gaza, showed a young, barefoot woman pulled from the trunk of a Jeep by a gunman and then forced into the backseat of the car. Her trousers were soaked with what appeared to be blood.

“Our team commander saw several female soldiers who were shot in their crotch, intimate parts, vagina, or shot in the breast. There seem to be a systematic genital mutilation of a group of victims,” she added.

That takes a bit of reading.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Roy I think in this case you are right. Then come October 7.

Israel has been treating Palestrinians cruelly for decades. Shooting children for throwing stones, arresting many women, children and men, keeping them in prison without charge, disposessing them from their land and homes, supporting Israeli civilians in crimes against Palestinians, denying them basic human rights.

October 7 was a foreseeable instance of a safety valve bursting
Not condoned but expected.

 

[Odds]

I did make the claim, and I presented the evidence.
You are now questioning that evidence. You'll need to present counter evidence to justify your claim.
I'm afraid that your opinion will just not do.

A reminder:

Rape and the Israel Defense Forces

In 2002, Rabbi Eyal Karim was asked, “Is it allowed in our days for an IDF soldier, for example, to rape girls during a fight, or is such…

comrademorlock.medium.com

I'm not sure a link to a post made by 'Comrade Warlock' is helping things for you - and you have to sign in to read the full text. I'll pass.

However the remarks are clarified in The Times of Israel and the comments withdrawn. He goes on to say On the matter of women’s enlistment, Karim wrote in 2002 that it was explicitly forbidden.
“In a situation such as the one during the War of Independence, in which there was a real pikuah nefesh [matter of life or death] of the Jewish people, women also participated in the defense of the nation and country, even though the situation was not so modest,” he wrote. “But in our era we do not live with a real threat to our survival.

Does he not consider Hamas a threat to the survival of Israel? The Old Testament is having a hard time adjusting to the modern world, it seems.

 

[Roy Bloom]

They had it coming did they?

That's not what i said. Stop the disingenguine tactics. it's dishonest and infantile.

 

[gant]

They had it coming did they?

Bit like the weather Bloom, different day different 'moral' high ground.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I'm not sure a link to a post made by 'Comrade Warlock' is helping things for you - and you have to sign in to read the full text. I'll pass.

However the remarks are clarified in The Times of Israel and the comments withdrawn. He goes on to say On the matter of women’s enlistment, Karim wrote in 2002 that it was explicitly forbidden.
“In a situation such as the one during the War of Independence, in which there was a real pikuah nefesh [matter of life or death] of the Jewish people, women also participated in the defense of the nation and country, even though the situation was not so modest,” he wrote. “But in our era we do not live with a real threat to our survival.

Does he not consider Hamas a threat to the survival of Israel? The Old Testament is having a hard time adjusting to the modern world, it seems.

Of course the Time of Israel will 'cl;arify' the remarks.
It's the mouthpiece of propagnda for Israeli government.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

They had it coming did they?

Roy’s antisemitic attitude is disgusting.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Nor can you Roy. You talk about Zionist as if every Israeli every Jew is a right wing nutter.

Israel and Jews just want to live in peace.

On their terms. Apartheid, subjugation, torture, disposesion, etc.