VAT on education?

[ajohn]

Do you think this might have a tiny little weeny implication:
Class sizes in England’s state secondary schools have ballooned to their largest size for nearly 20 years

it's only possible to guess the aims of some changes. Kids have always been graded for educational needs one way or another. These days it looks like the stats or what ever they are called are used. The grading sets levels and pace etc but it still wont be even so teaching assistants appear to try and help even it up. More use of PC's etc. Maybe a broader range of curriculums - yet more teachers needed.

LOL A class size of 22 sound rather small to me at any stage of most of my schooling.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Some people don’t use private schools but recognise that those who do, ease the demand for state schools which helps everyone.

It's not about accepting the existence of private schools, it's about them paying the appropriate tax. Something which you consider is so important in other scenarios.

 

[Notch7]

Anyway demand for schools places is down. Something to do with a declining birth rate.

6000 new teachers might be a bit short of pupils to teach.

Silly MBK

Here’s a list of the shortfall by subject. Enjoy.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

LOL A class size of 22 sound rather small to me at any stage of most of my schooling.

No doubt in your era there was just one teacher in charge of the class.
Now there are one or two assistants.
Advancement, eh?

There are many studies in other countries, carried out on the effect of student performance being dependent on the Teacher -Student ratio,
Here's just one conclusion:

The result suggested more teachers should be hired in order to decrease the number of students per teacher so that students’ achievement can enhance.

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www.researchgate.net

From that one study, it looks like 15 students per teacher is a good compromise.

I can't easily find a comparative study for UK.

 

[Notch7]

Some people don’t use private schools but recognise that those who do, ease the demand for state schools which helps everyone.

The extra VAT to the govt will help towards state school education which helps everyone

Private schools aren’t charities.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Are they needed?

Try a serious reply next time.

Again

 

[fillyboy]

Schools could be forced to close amid drop in pupils - think tank

Research suggests pupil numbers are projected to fall the most in areas like Lambeth and Lewisham.

www.bbc.co.uk

This was the post I referred to regarding shrinking pupil numbers.

Schools could be forced to close amid drop in pupils - think tank

Research suggests pupil numbers are projected to fall the most in areas like Lambeth and Lewisham.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

This was the post I referred to regarding shrinking pupil numbers.

Schools could be forced to close amid drop in pupils - think tank

Research suggests pupil numbers are projected to fall the most in areas like Lambeth and Lewisham.

www.bbc.co.uk

Perhaps you could present these "several posters" who's comments you were referring to, and we can connect the comments to the article that you presented, with the links to London schools, especially Lewisham and Lambeth, and the North of UK?
And I see absolutely no reference to "advertising for pupils" in that article.

Several posters have stated that the schools in their areas are advertising for pupils. You can't have it both ways.

 

[motorbiking]

Silly MBK

Here’s a list of the shortfall by subject. Enjoy.

Not going to be helped by people switching from private to state school. You can’t have it both ways.

That’s assuming your post is even remotely relevant

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Not going to be helped by people switching from private to state school. You can’t have it both ways.

That’s assuming your post is even remotely relevant

It's highly unlikely that private schools will employ teachers to twiddle their fingers.
Don't forget they're in it for the money.

 

[motorbiking]

Do you think those teachers employed by private schools want to work in state schools?

 

[fillyboy]

Perhaps you could present these "several posters" who's comments you were referring to, and we can connect the comments to the article that you presented, with the links to London schools, especially Lewisham and Lambeth, and the North of UK?
And I see absolutely no reference to "advertising for pupils" in that article.

These are the comments I was referring to.

That surprises me when we are always hearing of overcrowded classes.

Surprised me too, a quick google showed that the school population is predicted to fall substantially in the next ten years. I assume there was a dramatic increase in the freedom of movement years but a ten year graph would be useful.

Schools could be forced to close amid drop in pupils - think tank

Research suggests pupil numbers are projected to fall the most in areas like Lambeth and Lewisham.

www.bbc.co.uk

My local High School are advertising heavily to recruit more students

Same around me. Banners outside all the schools trying to attract pupils

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Do you think those teachers employed by private schools want to work in state schools?

They can choose to not work in state schools, if they wish.
They're not forced to work in any specific establishment. It's a free (labour) market, remember.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

These are the comments I was referring to.

That surprises me when we are always hearing of overcrowded classes.

Perhaps you'd like to ask Mottie for some examples?

Surprised me too, a quick google showed that the school population is predicted to fall substantially in the next ten years. I assume there was a dramatic increase in the freedom of movement years but a ten year graph would be useful.

Schools could be forced to close amid drop in pupils - think tank

Research suggests pupil numbers are projected to fall the most in areas like Lambeth and Lewisham.

www.bbc.co.uk

The school population predicted to fall in the next ten years is not likely to motivate advertising for pupils now.

My local High School are advertising heavily to recruit more students

Same around me. Banners outside all the schools trying to attract pupils

So two reports of advertising for pupils, which I considered normal competition:

That's normal competition between market rivals, not an appeal for sufficient numbers due to shortages.

You relied on that scant evidence to claim that pupils numbers were falling.

No, they cited falling pupil numbers due to demographic changes. ...

Yet the more official view was:

Class sizes in English secondaries at largest in nearly 20 years​

Class sizes in English secondaries at largest in nearly 20 years

Official data shows average class has 22 pupils, adding to union concerns over distancing

www.theguardian.com

Don't you think you'd have been better to have addressed the posts that claimed that there wouldn't be room for the additional pupils from private schools, which I asked you for.

... It was in response to claims state schools wouldn't be able to cope with the numbers leaving private education.

Who said state schools wouldn't be able to cope with the additional ex-private students?

So here your are, claiming on one hand that pupil numbers are falling, and on the other hand you're also claiming that there's no room for additional pupils.
I think you've got yourself all confused.

 

[fillyboy]

Perhaps you'd like to ask Mottie for some examples?




The school population predicted to fall in the next ten years is not likely to motivate advertising for pupils now.




So two reports of advertising for pupils, which I considered normal competition:

You relied on that scant evidence to claim that pupils numbers were falling.

Yet the more official view was:

Class sizes in English secondaries at largest in nearly 20 years

Official data shows average class has 22 pupils, adding to union concerns over distancing

www.theguardian.com

Don't you think you'd have been better to have addressed the posts that claimed that there wouldn't be room for the additional pupils from private schools, which I asked you for.



So here your are, claiming on one hand that pupil numbers are falling, and on the other hand you're also claiming that there's no room for additional pupils.
I think you've got yourself all confused.

WTF???