Vaxxers read this. Link provided

[Justin Passing]

I doubt it. It's more expensive than bleach and surface contamination is a tiny part of Covid transmission. The major method of transmission is airborne. Unless you had UV walls between people it's not going to help, and the Ozone it produces would make that dangerous.

Where they are being used it's not to use UV to kill the virus, but to generate Ozone. The science fiction trope of having UV lights to sterilise you is mostly myth.

https://nation.cymru/opinion/why-we...e-dangerous-disinfection-machines-in-schools/

You doubt it = you didn't look, and guessed wrongly.
Just do a search on "UVC to kill microbes" and you'll get a page of hits.
It's being used in air circulators.
As well as most sizeable garden ponds for years - not too much ozone underwater, eh?
"The science fiction trope of having UV lights to sterilise you is mostly myth." Please don't write nonsense.

Paracetamol you're right - first hit says "Paracetamol has practically no anti-inflammatory effect". Looks like it may have been downgraded but the point is still correct - you can't say that because a drug's main/intended purpose is X then it can't be used for Y. CF Viagra. Yes it should go through trials, but if it's been in a trial at all - which IVM has, safety has been examined.
You're wrong about paracetamol being suggested as a treatment for covid - that was HMG's initial recommendation.

"Ivermectin hasn't been demonstrated to work yet." Not true. Maybe not to your satisfaction. You made things up about ' majority of the trials suggesting it's used in early stages prophylactically ' (an oxymoron) so I can only assume you haven't read much, ans are biased.

"Antivaxers are
using it instead of proven treatment" Link please - but so what if they're that stupid. In countries where it's been used most , vaccines weren't available. Sounds like you believe in a conspiracy, or an anti conspiracy conspiracy, which has no place here.

"If it were being used responsibly (in addition to proven treatment and vaccination as part of a clinical trial) then I'd have no issue with it" This is where I came in. It has a number of trials in respected institutions which need explaining. Some are corrupt, as I said, (so JohnD has gone off making a meal of it, to no effect). Everyone, including Pfizer, trumpets their own results as the most important
It appears people on this forum make things up with no basis, but I wouldn't expect it of every institute which has done trials.

As for the Roman et al review - it's clearly biased as hell. You will eg find where it says that no benefit was found for some aspect in X number of cases - therefore are we to assume there was a benefit in the rest and it would rather not say?

 

[Justin Passing]

Horse-worming tablets FFS.

So , another who thinks a drug being used for one thing disqualifies its use for something else.

I don't think it takes much brain to see that's crap.
Do you know how it works as a wormer? And the three or so antivirus mechanisms it exhibits? I doubt it.

Trying to persuade by ridicule only reflects on the ability of the antagonist.

Supported by trumpists

Neither am I a Trumpist.
Trying to decry by invented association just makes you look a jerk.

"And here are you, recommending horse-worming tablets."
Liar. I said if I was dying and there was nothing else I'd try it.
Please stop inventing rubbish. I'm saying it's worth a better look.

 

[denso13]

It's been used for 40 years. That's something you can't say of the vaccines.

The techniques behind the AZ vaccine were first conceptualised almost 50 years ago and first used almost 40 years ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494222/

 

[JohnD]

It's great to see you've been carried away by the wave of Trumpists who heard about a report that was faked.

Did you avoid this?

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab591/6310839

Conclusions
Compared with the standard of care or placebo, IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, LOS, or viral clearance in RCTs in patients with mostly mild COVID-19. IVM did not have an effect on AEs or SAEs and is not a viable option to treat patients with COVID-19.

 

[IT Minion]

Liar. I said if I was dying and there was nothing else I'd try it.

But since there is, you don't have to.

If you do end up in hospital with Covid there's a good chance you'll be asked if you will take part in one or more clinical studies. Say yes to science. That way you can try this potential cure and help save other lives, by helping demonstrate it does, or does not, work.

 

[Justin Passing]

But since there is, you don't have to.

If you do end up in hospital with Covid there's a good chance you'll be asked if you will take part in one or more clinical studies. Say yes to science.

Good chance? Link please or was that made up too?

Something else? In a lot of countries in the world, there isn't much.

 

[IT Minion]

Good chance? Link please or was that made up too?

Something else? In a lot of countries in the world, there isn't much.

No, the majority of Covid hospital patients have taken part in at least one trial. The simplest is just authorising your data to be used for statistical modeling to help identify risk factors etc.

Recovery is up to 43,000 participants. Remap Cap, which is for intensive care admissions is up to 16,000 or so


You never did say what you thought of Dexamethasone. Care to comment?

 

[Justin Passing]

The techniques behind the AZ vaccine were first conceptualised almost 50 years ago and first used almost 40 years ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494222/

So you're saying that because someone thought of how to do a vaccine for something or other 40 years ago, that's as good as using an actual drug for 40 years?
Come on.

 

[denso13]

Come on.

I gave you the link, if you want me to explain it I will.

 

[Justin Passing]

No, the majority of Covid hospital patients have taken part in at least one trial. The simplest is just authorising your data to be used for statistical modeling to help identify risk factors etc.

Recovery is up to 43,000 participants. Remap Cap, which is for intensive care admissions is up to 16,000 or so


You never did say what you thought of Dexamethasone. Care to comment?

Link for the majority of Covid hospital patients please. Say in Nigeria, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Bangladesh.

"Recovery is..." Eh, what?


I know what Dexamethasone is, it's quite different.

 

[Justin Passing]

I gave you the link, if you want me to explain it I will.

You gave a link to the development of a vaccination method.
So what?
Previous comment stands.

I'm not going to get into comparisons between covid and other vaccine testing.
For various reasons, I can understand that some people would be happier if we'd been using the current ones for 40 years.

 

[denso13]

I'm not going to get into comparisons between covid and other vaccine testing.

That's up to you, you can lead a horse to water and all that....

But to claim, as happens frequently on here, that the vaccines suddenly appeared 18 months ago, is just downright lying.

 

[denso13]

Something else? In a lot of countries in the world, there isn't much.

So why isn't IVM being rolled out in those countries?

 

[denso13]

You gave a link to the development of a vaccination method.

Wait, here's another from 2004 and explains more about adenovirus-based vaccines which the AZ one is (adenovirus-based SARS-CoV-2 vaccine). Not like it, or similar to, or pretending to be, but is.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1525001604013425

 

[Justin Passing]

That's up to you, you can lead a horse to water and all that....

But to claim, as happens frequently on here, that the vaccines suddenly appeared 18 months ago, is just downright lying.

Well I'm not claiming that, Okay?
Though it is true to say that there are novel aspects to all vaccines - one could list a few for these. EG the monkey adenovirus AZ uses, hasn't been used before . These particular vaccines are indeed, that new. Their significant heritage came from work on SARS - 1 and MERS, though those weren't developed much, and the MERS virus goes for a different receptor site, etc.