Vive La France!

[Notch7]

US site, but yes taking the Pills can be fatal.

But the forum f**tards don't want doctors to be involved. where is Roy, I need his rolleyes...

Nobody has said doctors shouldn’t be involved

Why are you making stuff up

 

[noseall]

But the forum f**tards don't want doctors to be ininvolved

Nonsense. Where did you hallucinate that?

You were wrong boyo. All your squirming won't change that.

 

[motorbiking]

Again…. For the extremely hard of thinking…
What is it you want to change?

I want a woman to be able to decide by themselves to have an abortion - done
I want them to be able to have this for free - done
I want it to be legal as long as it’s less than 24 weeks gone - done
I want the right to be enshrined in law - done.

 

[motorbiking]

Nonsense. Where did you hallucinate that?

You were wrong boyo. All your squirming won't change that.

I posted the law for you to read
I explained it
I explained it again
I provided you with the NHS guidelines
I explained them.. and again
I explained the role of the doctors in deciding the risks. I pointed out your misunderstanding

But still you think the U.K. laws do not give a woman the right to an abortion based on her own choice, for free, subject to her being less than 24 weeks gone.

 

[fillyboy]

Pass the yacht varnish, I need a drink.

 

[Odds]

Pass the yacht varnish, I need a drink.

Getting lacquered at this time of day?

 

[noseall]

Here is your response to my post when informed you that in the UK, women require the prior approval of two doctors for an abortion....

FFS You really are a clueless idiot, read the NHS guidance - search for "The decision to have an abortion is yours alone.". What do you think that means?

Fukkin clueless idiot. For a bloke that thinks he knows the law, you look a right tw@.
You even quoted me, tw@.

 

[Justin Passing]

Fukkin clueless idiot. For a bloke that thinks he knows the law, you look a right tw@.
You even quoted me, tw@.

I expectthat would come under "ad hominem". ??

 

[noseall]

I expectthat would come under "ad hominem". ??

Possibly.
He's that angry now since I pointed out UK law to him, that he keeps posting irrelevant nonsense.
I think the yacht varnish has addled his napper.
Perhaps he just did not know about the two doctors rule and potential prosecution, when not followed.

 

[motorbiking]

So you think a woman asks for an abortion because she doesn’t want to be a mum and two doctors assess her to decide if that’s a valid reason ?

Their assessment is entirely limited to the risks of the procedure and to determine if the pregnancy is beyond 24 weeks.

I’ve shown you the guidelines, the actual law (not glamour magazines version) and the NHS web page. None of it says you seek approval for the abortion and 2 doctors asses if your reason is valid. Their scope is entirely limited to the risk of the procedure, the time limit. and they are duty bound to act in good faith.

The only one looking like a fool is the builder who started a thread on a subject he clearly knew nothing about.

 

[Brigadier]

I expect that would come under "ad hominem". ??

 

[noseall]

I’ve shown you the guidelines, the actual law (not glamour magazines version) and the NHS web page. None of it says you seek approval for the abortion and 2 doctors asses if your reason is valid.

In March 2023, findings from SACHA, the largest study abortion to be carried out in the UK at that point,[82] which was funded by the NHS, called for nurses and midwives to be included in the medical staff allowed to approve abortions[83] and that abortion services should be incorporated into local sexual and reproductive health services. The study also identified that almost a fifth of healthcare workers were unaware that abortion was still a criminal offence unless it was signed off by doctors.
From the WIKI page



An abortion is only legal when performed by a licensed medical professional and has been signed off by two independent doctors.
From another source



Abortions can take place in the first 24 weeks of pregnancy in England, Scotland and Wales.
However, they have to be approved by two doctors. They must agree having the baby would pose a greater risk to the physical or mental health of the woman than a termination.
From the BBC page



Most abortions in England, Wales, and Scotland are carried out before 24 weeks with permission from two registered doctors. In reality, most doctors leave a two-week margin for error and rarely go beyond 22 weeks. If a person is less than 10 weeks pregnant, they may be able to have a medical termination at home, rather than going to a hospital or clinic. After 10 weeks of pregnancy, a health professional or abortion provider can discuss options.

In order for an abortion to be legal, the medical practitioners must be acting in good faith - not negligent or dishonest when forming their opinion - and agree on one, or more, of the following grounds:
From another source.

Under the Abortion Act, a pregnancy can be lawfully terminated by a registered medical practitioner in an NHS hospital or premises approved for this purpose, if two medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith:
British Medical Association

Abortion legislation 7. The Offences Against the Person Act 1861 makes it a criminal offence to intentionally unlawfully procure a miscarriage, including for a woman to procure her own miscarriage. The Infant Life (Preservation) Act 1929 makes it an offence to intentionally kill a child, capable of being born alive, before it has a life independent of its mother. The Abortion Act creates exceptions to these offences in certain limited circumstances. 8. The Abortion Act makes abortion legal where the pregnancy is terminated by an RMPand, except in emergencies, where two RMPs are of the opinion formed in good faith that one of the lawful grounds specified in the Act are met.Forming an opinion in good faith9. If there is evidence that either certifying doctor has not formed their opinion in good faith then the doctor performing the termination is not protected by section 1(1) of the Abortion Act and has potentially committed a criminal offence by terminating the pregnancy. It is also possible that the doctor could be acting contrary to their professional duties.10. Practices have come to light recently which call into question whether doctors have acted in accordance with their legal obligations under the Abortion Act. These practices include the signing of HSA1 forms by doctors before a woman has been referred, and doctors signing forms relying solely on decisions made about the woman in question by other doctors or members of the multi-disciplinary team without any other information
GOV

Vive La France!

 

[noseall]

Their assessment is entirely limited to the risks of the procedure and to determine if the pregnancy is beyond 24 weeks.

You need to stop - now. Read the law boyo, you are embarrassing yourself.

Have a look at what a HSA1 form is boyo.

 

[Odds]

This month an amendment to the Criminal Justice Bill will propose decriminalising abortion altogether. The amendment is proposed by Dame Diana Johnson to abolish section 58 and 59 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 plus the 1929 Infant Life (Preservation) Act and it states that "no offence is committed by a woman acting in relation to her own pregnancy".

Such reform is perceived to be necessary due to changes in how abortion is administered - in 2021 87% of terminations were induced by pills rather than surgery, up 40% in a decade. During the pandemic these abortion pills could be obtained via telemedical appointments - a temporary measure that became permanent in 2022, thanks to feminist lobbying.

 

[noseall]

But still you think the U.K. laws do not give a woman the right to an abortion based on her own choice, for free, subject to her being less than 24 weeks gone.

Never disputed any of that, nor can you show a post where I have.

However, abortions in the UK are illegal unless signed off by two doctors. Have you even read your own links? Have a look or have someone explain what a HSA1 form is boyo. I'll probably be able to hear the slap from my house.