Vive La France!

[noseall]

I'll answer my own question, MBK can't/won't.

If the doctors find she doesn't meet the criteria, in their opinion, then they can't sign form HSA1. Therefore the abortion can't proceed. Approval is denied.

Correct.

 

[Vinty]

Irrelevant waffle.

Abortion is illegal in the UK unless it is signed off by two doctors.

Yeah and embryos are unfertilised eggs according to you.
Don't give your day job, LOL.

 

[motorbiking]

Did anyone say a doctor should refuse on those grounds?

I'm pretty sure the scope for approval is pretty broad. However it does not change the fact that two doctors need to sign it off.

The requirement for two doctors to sign a statement of opinion has nothing to do with the lawfulness of the abortion.
She has not broken the law by having an abortion and then finding out the doctors failed to complete their paperwork.

 

[Vinty]

Doctors are required to take her mental health into consideration. Then sign it off, or not.

Unlike unborn children, doctors have a duty of care to their patients, if by refusing an abortion they put their patients lives at risk, they have no option but to sign off an abortion.

 

[motorbiking]

The bar is much lower.
If she is within the time limit
she simply declares she does not want it.

It is sufficient all things being equal.

 

[denso13]

they have no option but to sign off an abortion.

They have the option but if the woman meets any of the criteria in the act then it will proceed. It will/should be approved.

If she doesn't meet any of the criteria then it can't be signed off.

 

[noseall]

A foetus isn't designed to survive outside the womb

Glad you are not referring to it as an unborn child or some other religious clap-trap, like those nutters in the USA. The RWR morons in Alabama go one step further and refer to embryos in the freezer as children, FFS. Pulling the plug to the freezer to do some vacuuming could result in a serious felony.

 

[noseall]

The bar is much lower.
If she is within the time limit
she simply declares she does not want it.

It is sufficient all things being equal.

They have the option but if the woman meets any of the criteria in the act then it will proceed. It will/should be approved.

If she doesn't meet any of the criteria then it can't be signed off.

Both are correct. MBK is correct in that granting an abortion is more likely than not. Actually getting a successful prosecution is difficult to impossible.

It does not alter the fact that for an abortion to be legal it must be signed off or approved by two medical professionals (doctors). Avoids the back street abortions for example or a medic attempting to secure an abortion for a friend etc.

 

[Vinty]

Yes we all agree approval requires 2 drs signatures

And we all agree you are wrong.

More strawmen Notch.
Criteria for abortion.
You can only have a termination in the UK if there is a risk to the mental or physical wellbeing of you, the foetus or your family.

Doctors cannot refuse if you fulfil the above criteria.

Ironically the foetus is included in the criteria, turkeys voting for Xmas.

 

[Vinty]

she doesn't meet any of the criteria then it can't be signed off

Criteria for abortion.

You can only have a termination in the UK if there is a risk to the mental or physical wellbeing of you, the foetus or your family.

 

[Vinty]

Both are correct. MBK is correct in that granting an abortion is more likely than not. Actually getting a successful prosecution is difficult to impossible.

It does not alter the fact that for an abortion to be legal it must be signed off or approved by two medical professionals (doctors). Avoids the back street abortions for example or a medic attempting to secure an abortion for a friend etc.

You put more strawmen than Notch.

 

[Notch7]

More strawmen Notch.
Criteria for abortion.
You can only have a termination in the UK if there is a risk to the mental or physical wellbeing of you, the foetus or your family.

Doctors cannot refuse if you fulfil the above criteria.

Ironically the foetus is included in the criteria, turkeys voting for Xmas.

an abortion in the UK requires approval from 2 doctors that it complies with both legal and medical criteria

thats a fact.

you may argue the criteria is too low, but that is a different argument

 

[noseall]

You put more strawmen

How so?

You think eggs are children. Do you name them whilst they are in the freezer?

 

[Notch7]

You put more strawmen than Notch.

Zero strawman from me

Vinty has failed to address the following facts

lets see Vinty answer and watch the pathetic strawman appear

1) that making abortion illegal does not lower abortion rates
2) making abortion illegal results in a lifetime of poverty for some women
3) making abortion illegal results in women using backstreet abortion clinics
4) Vinty wants children brought up in poverty but refuses to offer to pay more taxes for it

 

[noseall]

Criteria for abortion.

You can only have a termination in the UK if there is a risk to the mental or physical wellbeing of you, the foetus or your family.

Or financial. Or even the effect on the home (or lack of). These are also considered in the UK.

Section 1 (2) of the Abortion Act, which states that doctors may take account of the pregnant woman’s actual or reasonably foreseeable environment when making a decision about the impact of the continuance of a pregnancy on a woman’s health. Here again, the law bestows upon doctors a gatekeeping role in terms of deciding who may have an abortion, but within that role provides for a great deal of latitude in making their decision. The law does not state that doctors ‘must’ take account of a woman’s environment, but that they ‘may’ do so. There is an implicit recognition that it is not always possible to separate the mental or physical health effects of abortion from a woman’s wider social circumstances - such as her income, her housing situation, her support network. Doctors may take all this into account in determining whether to authorise an abortion

I think it's pretty clear that if a woman in the UK wants an abortion, she'll get it. As MBK pointed out, the bar is pretty low.

It's also against the law for an abortion to proceed without the sign off (approval ) of two qualified medical professionals (doctors).