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[JonathanM]

They are ALL notifiable. Remember the requirement for the form has nothing to do with the woman.

I'm still not clear on this. If the pregnancy is under 10 weeks, is an HSA1 still required?

 

[noseall]

So you accept that a doctors approval is not required?

Yes it is. Two doctors. Tha law hasn't changed in tgat respect. The fact that it is done remotely changes nothing.

 

[noseall]

I'm still not clear on this. If the pregnancy is under 10 weeks, is an HSA1 still required?

Two doctors have to sign it off yes. But pills can be taken at home. It's a hangover from the Covid days

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So you accept that a doctors approval is not required?

1 down then. several more idiots to go.

You got there and now you're swerving again

 

[motorbiking]

here you go

The Abortion (Amendment) Regulations 2022

These Regulations amend the Abortion Regulations 1991 (“the 1991 Regulations”).

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[noseall]

here you go

The Abortion (Amendment) Regulations 2022

These Regulations amend the Abortion Regulations 1991 (“the 1991 Regulations”).

www.legislation.gov.uk

It says it has to be signed off. What's your point?

 

[denso13]

two doctors give an opinion that she is within the legal framework

What if they are of the opinion she isn't?

 

[denso13]

But pills can be taken at home.

If approved.

 

[JonathanM]

here you go

Can you please explain it? Is an HSA1 (or equivalent) still needed and how does it all fit together?

 

[noseall]

If approved.

Correct.
It's still illegal without approval.

 

[motorbiking]

Can you please explain it? Is an HSA1 (or equivalent) still needed and how does it all fit together?

yes - they are all notifiable. But these are forms for the medical staff. Nothing exposes the woman to prosecution because notification wasn't done.

Remember everyone - nothing in the abortion act which gives exemption from prosecution under the offences against the person act, requires any doctor to give approval. His role legally is nothing more than a statement of opinion in good faith.

For terminations under 10 weeks at home it is nothing more than a statement that he believes the facts and that the medicines will be administered in Accordance with his instructions.

 

[JonathanM]

Two doctors have to sign it off yes. But pills can be taken at home. It's a hangover from the Covid days

I wonder what would the process be? The woman has a consultation over the phone. At what stage do the two doctors reach their opinion and certify it. Presumably before the pills are sent. How do they get the information to base that opinion on. Is it OK to read notes or do they chat with the person who did the interview.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

yes - they are all notifiable. But these are forms for the medical staff. Nothing exposes the woman to prosecution because notification wasn't done.

Remember everyone - nothing in the abortion act which gives exemption from prosecution under the offences against the person act, requires any doctor to give approval. His role legally is nothing more than a statement of opinion in good faith.

So a doctor has to agree (approve) to the request

 

[JonathanM]

Nothing exposes the woman to prosecution because notification wasn't done.

Yes, I know that. It's about protection for the medical people.

 

[denso13]

it is nothing more than a statement that he believes the facts and that the medicines will be administered in Accordance with his instructions.

Or that pills are not suitable, i.e. approval not given to self administer.