as i say i am retired on a very poor pension topping it up with my hard earned savings getting an artificially low 2.45% not claiming any help from the "system" as i have pride but i don't begrudge the hard working people or others down on there luck claiming the pittance they are entitled to
Was Thatcher reallly that bad ?
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as i say i am retired on a very poor pension topping it up with my hard earned savings getting an artificially low 2.45% not claiming any help from the "system" as i have pride but i don't begrudge the hard working people or others down on there luck claiming the pittance they are entitled to
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Hey Eddie the BEAGLE
Wake up and smell the roses .
Wake up and smell the roses .
Do you have cheese for brains?
Car insurance = you pay them money so they pay you money in the event of an accident, how is that even comparable to taking money from the benefits system, paid for by others, which is supposed to be a social safety net for those in need.
Just go back to your one sentence long insults, you only embarrass yourself when you try and argue.
But sir, everyone else is doing it!
Pathetic.
Yes, the difference between taking money off others and not giving your money is only pedantics.
You can choose not to shop at xxxx, you can't choose not to pay your taxes as you know it will only go to buy Chardonnays fags.
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EddieM
Do you have cheese for brains?
Car insurance = you pay them money so they pay you money in the event of an accident, how is that even comparable to taking money from the benefits system, paid for by others, which is supposed to be a social safety net for those in need.
Just go back to your one sentence long insults, you only embarrass yourself when you try and argue.
But sir, everyone else is doing it!
Pathetic.
Yes, the difference between taking money off others and not giving your money is only pedantics.
You can choose not to shop at xxxx, you can't choose not to pay your taxes as you know it will only go to buy Chardonnays fags.
Err, it's called national insurance??? Dumbo.
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Not for the first time, you have totally misunderstood the main point of my argument, Mr Surly.
It's because politicians have gone out of their way to make life so difficult for the ordinary people of this country, that some people need to do what is necessary to survive. The politicians make the rules and sell all of us down the river whilst setting a bad example at the same time.
Anyway, what would you know about the real world? Aren't you a council desk-jockey? You'll be OK with your flexi-time, long paid holidays and gold-plated pension. All paid for by screwing people for ever higher council tax. Your snout's already planted in the trough.
You will be all right. Pull the ladder up.
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Big Tone
Okay, I’ve read this late in the thread but in case no one has brought it up yet...
I too could not have cared less about politics and politicians TBH. That was until it, someone, some Party known as The Tories, f-ucke-d my life up in the mid/late 80’s!
I was a hard-working divorced father who had an amicable arrangement with my ex wife. I paid her each and every week a sum which we both agreed was fair; I was up-front and honest.
It was a tacit agreement which was generous and far more, (zero), than she ever got from the father of her second daughter from another man/alpha male.
But she harboured what I can only call a malevolent streak and the day the CSA was CONceived she told them about me. She didn’t/couldn’t tell them about the other guy because A) He used to slap her about and B) He was unemployed but working on the side and doing very well thank you...
So, when it was first formed I hailed this as a great move by the Tories because they were going to get and target “errant fathers” right?
Wrong!!! Some fathers commited suicide; it was that bad, wrong, unfair and corrupt!
Being up front and honest, they found me in a heartbeat – and took me to the cleaners!
My ex was getting, at the time, £30 per week in benefits for BOTH children. (Remember only one was mine – allegedly). But I thought of her as mine and lavished her with the love, care and devotion you would expect from any proud dad.
To add insult to injury, the Cons purported to be the Party “working for and supporting the family”. (Paraphrased from memory).
This story is too long, and painful, (and boring for those whom were not affected), to go into detail about. But I vowed I’d never vote Conservative again after that – and I haven’t!
At the time, if someone stuck a bullet in Thatcher's head I would have rejoiced! It was 'under her watch' that my life was turned completely upside-down and set me on a course which was to affect me and my side of the family for the rest of my life; such is the power of Politics!
The moral of this story? When a party completely f-uck-s up your life; don’t expect to win them back – ever!
People vote, or not, on what personally affects them; it’s human nature. Dale Carnegie put it well when he said “a man cares more about his cold than a famine which kills a thousand in China”.
To state the obvious that’s not, in any way, a judgement on the good Chinese people or any race of course. The point he made was simply that what affects you personally is what is uppermost in your mind and what personally affects YOU and the people you love. And so affects our... bias...
One of my dearest friends, by stark contrast, did very well out of Thatcher, thank you very much.
So it’s all about how it personally affects you; not so much wrong or right but how you fair. My plight, likely as not, will seem like a big nothing to you all here - just as yours may appear to me.
Political statement: The shame of it, I think, is that the Cons seem to get an idea about something which is wrong, wasteful, inefficient and in genuine need of change, and then completely f-cu-k it up! And history is repeating itself once again sadly, with the NHS...
Labour and Conservative are like "a choice between Leprosy and Syphilis", to lend from another quote....
I too could not have cared less about politics and politicians TBH. That was until it, someone, some Party known as The Tories, f-ucke-d my life up in the mid/late 80’s!
I was a hard-working divorced father who had an amicable arrangement with my ex wife. I paid her each and every week a sum which we both agreed was fair; I was up-front and honest.
It was a tacit agreement which was generous and far more, (zero), than she ever got from the father of her second daughter from another man/alpha male.
But she harboured what I can only call a malevolent streak and the day the CSA was CONceived she told them about me. She didn’t/couldn’t tell them about the other guy because A) He used to slap her about and B) He was unemployed but working on the side and doing very well thank you...
So, when it was first formed I hailed this as a great move by the Tories because they were going to get and target “errant fathers” right?
Wrong!!! Some fathers commited suicide; it was that bad, wrong, unfair and corrupt!
Being up front and honest, they found me in a heartbeat – and took me to the cleaners!
My ex was getting, at the time, £30 per week in benefits for BOTH children. (Remember only one was mine – allegedly). But I thought of her as mine and lavished her with the love, care and devotion you would expect from any proud dad.
To add insult to injury, the Cons purported to be the Party “working for and supporting the family”. (Paraphrased from memory).
This story is too long, and painful, (and boring for those whom were not affected), to go into detail about. But I vowed I’d never vote Conservative again after that – and I haven’t!
At the time, if someone stuck a bullet in Thatcher's head I would have rejoiced! It was 'under her watch' that my life was turned completely upside-down and set me on a course which was to affect me and my side of the family for the rest of my life; such is the power of Politics!
The moral of this story? When a party completely f-uck-s up your life; don’t expect to win them back – ever!
People vote, or not, on what personally affects them; it’s human nature. Dale Carnegie put it well when he said “a man cares more about his cold than a famine which kills a thousand in China”.
To state the obvious that’s not, in any way, a judgement on the good Chinese people or any race of course. The point he made was simply that what affects you personally is what is uppermost in your mind and what personally affects YOU and the people you love. And so affects our... bias...
One of my dearest friends, by stark contrast, did very well out of Thatcher, thank you very much.
So it’s all about how it personally affects you; not so much wrong or right but how you fair. My plight, likely as not, will seem like a big nothing to you all here - just as yours may appear to me.
Political statement: The shame of it, I think, is that the Cons seem to get an idea about something which is wrong, wasteful, inefficient and in genuine need of change, and then completely f-cu-k it up! And history is repeating itself once again sadly, with the NHS...
Labour and Conservative are like "a choice between Leprosy and Syphilis", to lend from another quote....
Big Tone wrote
You were up front and honest with the system? Big mistake!
OOh and never trust any politician. Except when they are voting themselves a pay rise.
Did your da never instill no old fashioned bitterness into your mind when you were young against the system? Pity!
I guess he never had it tough like my da surviving in wilds of SA. Or his da before him having to cope with partition and the ra.
No offence but I think it was well fekked up long before any political party came along!
Thats rather small minded if you don't mind me saying so.
You were up front and honest with the system? Big mistake!
OOh and never trust any politician. Except when they are voting themselves a pay rise.
Did your da never instill no old fashioned bitterness into your mind when you were young against the system? Pity!
I guess he never had it tough like my da surviving in wilds of SA. Or his da before him having to cope with partition and the ra.
No offence but I think it was well fekked up long before any political party came along!
Thats rather small minded if you don't mind me saying so.
Libby admitted to fudging the system, and has bought his/her council house at a significant discount.
Necessary to survive my backside.
No?
Sorry mate, I don't care what it's called, I consider it a safety net for those in need, yes I will claim if I need it, hardly the same as people like libby who willingly fudge the system so that they can "get more", nor the same as plenty of people that refuse better paid work as it will "affect their HB etc".
Yea, you just hide behind your legalise that it's "national insurance", never mind that a whole host of benefits are paid out of general taxation, and there are those in serious need that end up getting shafted cause everyone else has emptied the "pot".
Good little lefty.
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Big Tone
Yes, quite. But the point I thought I made was which Party fekked it up most for you.
If none, ever, I'm pleased for you. But not everyone can claim that. I remember every PM going back to Wilson; the only one I wished had got in was John Smith who was a great intellect and seemed a man of integrity - unlike the inept and corrupt bunch we’ve had ever since.
Not at all. But again, my personal gripe was the CSA. Yours may be the Pol Tax or how coal mining screwed your life up in Sheffield; I don't know. But it’s not “small minded” to tell it as it is. I’ve never been indolent but if I felt persecuted for being a scrounger I could at least understand. But I am not!
In today’s money, using some quick maths, I had the equivalent of a deduction at earnings order served on me of £240 per week!!! But, and here’s the thing, my ex got exactly the same benefits as before.
So tell me Norco, and be serious, how would you feel about paying an extra *£240 a week in tax and would you ever feel inclined to vote for them again afterwards?
My guess is this did not affect you or anyone you know otherwise you may empathise a little more. Just to make it absolutely clear, this did not go towards my child. It was not paid to my ex wife nor did it go towards my daughter's upkeep! IT WAS AN EXTORTIONATE TAX!
I am behind anyone who tries and works hard or is trying to find work. But what you don’t do is flog a willing horse. I’ll tell you what I ended up doing; I asked my boss to lay me off because it simply wasn’t worth my while working.
I couldn't keep my old banger on the road to pick my daughter up at the weekeds and I couldn't even treat her as I used to. And so, for the first time in my life, I elected to become unemployed so you taxpayers could pick up the tab. It was either that or commit suicide like others had done...
*Add: Check it for yourself if you don't believe me
Income in mid 80s = ~£8,000 pa.
Dedeuction at earnings, not for Child Support, in the 80s = £75 per week
Income as of 2013 = ~£26,000 pa.
Add more: It was her policies which led to the greed we have today; the so-called “me me me” society. Few people get everything wrong and I’m not suggesting she did. But it wasn’t rocket science to work out this very simple and totally iniquitous matter or just foresee the inevitable outcome. It’s what we pay these power-hungry civil servants for...
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EddieM
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Name which whole host of benefits are paid out to a single (divorced) person. There aren't any apart from ESA, council tax and housing benefit, non at all.
And since when is this discussion about 1 type of claimant, and in some cases exactly the ones in need that get screwed because of others (some can live with family/friends)?
How about all those single mothers, claiming HB, child tax credits, child welfare, subsidised transport, gym membership, free day care. How many of them could get better paid jobs, but don't see a need to, how many of them have husbands living away because then the mother gets more benefits.
I know someone who got a free car because his wife was disabled, cept he drove it and she drove some normal old banger, the guy absolutely **** himself when my dad threatened to report him, but had to stay his hand or risk his job.
I assume you eddie are the single divorced person, if so you should be on my side, because these are the people that drain the system for more than they need, leaving you with **** all.
National insurance is a social safety net, but people treat it the same way politicians treat expenses, "it's their due", "the rules allow it".
Just re-read this post.
Very poor pension ? Lots of people dont have a pension. tell us more please .
Using your savings ? isn't that what savings are for ? rainy day money ?.
Lots of people dont have savings .
Artificially low interest ? who says it's artificial ? It IS what it Is -for EVERYONE. Be satisfied you get just the same as everyone else who is fortunate to have savings.
A pittance is better than nothing at all- which is the going rate in lots of countries.
When you wake up in the morning- you should praise the Lord and take a step back and look at the things that you Do Have.. Not the things you 'think you 'deserve ' to have for doing buggerall every day .
Would some holiday cruise money make you happy every 6 months or so >?.
c'mon- stop complaining and moaning and bless your little cotton socks bud
Well its like this. I couldn't afford it. You can't take water out off a stone.
You on the other hand could afford it so you paid up. Thats the difference you see.
Greed has been prevalent in man since the year dot. Again, I think its small minded to pin that one on thatcher.
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EddieM
Never said it was, it was in response to comments saying you can live on the rock and roll, well as a single person (esp bearing in mind that your council tax may only be partially paid) I have to say the answer is categorically, you can't..... no way.
How do you know you can't ?.
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