Whats happening......!

[JulieL/B]

Moz - I am shocked and disgusted at the post you made a few minutes ago (which has now quite rightly been removed by the mods!)

Quite frankly you should be ashamed of yourself using that kind of language towards people here - I thought you were above such behaviour

 

[JulieL/B]

paulbrown
scumbag kill me a 1000 deaths here ....with yer poxy false juliel

And WHAT exacly do you mean by this post!!!!!!

 

[Softus]

I have a hunch that you're all wide of the mark.

Firstly, b-a-s' recollection is correct. Here is the relevant part of that topic - this is exactly as it appeared, since I copied it before it was deleted:

markie

Location: Newcastle upon Tyne,


Are they all inbred, up there?

I'm guessing that there's more to this comment than meets the eye - please could you take a moment to look towards the camera and elicidate for the audience?

I detected a significant overlap between this:

Well in my opinion they should stop anyone else coming in to this country, and take stock of who's in, ( illegally ) before opening the gates again, if ever.

If refugees are running away from there country in fear, then surely they would go to the nearest safe country, instead of paying someone to bring them to England, or trekking through diff countries to get here.

I was watching a doc last year, and it showed romania kids pick pocking people in London, they got caught by the police and couldn't speak a word of english. It turned out they were stealing for the parents, and even them couldn't speak a word of english.
So something has got to be done to curb this problem.

and the views of Slogger, who is also in Newcastle.
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Good scientists have originality. Good engineers make designs with as little originality as possible

I believe that at least one of Moz's posts was indeed removed, but the real nub of the problem was one that caused the following warning to be issued by Moderator, aimed at you-can-probably-guess-who.

Im sick and tired of moderating posts such as this which are offensive to so many and which are based on views unacceptable on this forum. Any such further posts will simply be deleted, no matter how much you moan about it. Its unfortunate but it seems the message does not get through to you despite being warned time after time after time. If you wish to publicy air such views i suggest you take them elsewhere.

You-know-who also insinuated that Moderator had a prejudice that caused him/her to remove posts regarding the holocaust, whereas the truth was that the perpitrators posts were increasingly raving.

 

[markie]

softus

I know you don't want to take sides in this , but in your opinion, do you think my post is a racist one. ?


PS you don't have to answer that if you don't want to btw.

In facted anyone who thinks my post is a racist one, in your own opinion are welcome to say. no offence will be taken btw,

 

[paulbrown]

Softus, I know you are only trying to appease and I am in no way having a go at you for this.
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But, could you kindly break your comment down into simpler terms? put another way, say what you mean please. You did say BAS was broadly right but he did say this.

No - I asked, or wondered, if they were.

I just can't recall or see where he said such.

Agree or disagree with BAS by all means, but you must accept that if the ball was on the other foot you would get fed up of being called racist day in and day out.

 

[Softus]

I know you don't want to take sides in this , but in your opinion, do you think my post is a racist one. ?

I'm happy to answer, but I honestly don't know which post you're referring to markie. Could you point me towards it?

Softus, I know you are only trying to appease and I am in no way having a go at you for this.

Cool. Respect. And all that.

But, could you kindly break your comment down into simpler terms? put another way, say what you mean please. You did say BAS was broadly right but he did say this.

No - I asked, or wondered, if they were.

I just can't recall or see where he said such.

OK. When I wrote "b-a-s' recollection is correct", I was referring to the very statement that you've just quoted, i.e. the recollection that he asked whether 'they' were all inbred, and didn't state that they were all inbred. Naturally everyone inferred something from that, and I personally asked what he meant because it seemed out of character.

Does this answer your question?

Agree or disagree with BAS by all means...

I haven't said that I either agree or disagree with b-a-s on this point, and I don't see any reason for me to publish my opinion on the matter. I was simply providing a factual answer to all of the wondering - I was in the right place at the right time since I captured a page of the topic shortly before the deletion, and I believe the moderator took that action for a reason wholly unrelated to b-a-s, and markie, and Newcastle.

...but you must accept that if the ball was on the other foot you would get fed up of being called racist day in and day out.

This is a tricky one. I'm happy to share an all too rare moment of civil debate with you pb, but I can't imagine what it must be like to be called a racist, because I never have been. To answer your question specifically, if I were accused of something unjustly, I would be enraged. And I know that I would because I have first hand experience of being accused of fraud (later vindicated), and interviewed under caution about the matter. I'm currently, you might not be at all surprised to hear, preparing to sue a government department for acting unlawfully; but that's a whole other topic. My point is that I would stop at nothing to find out why my action or inaction led to a false accusation - I don't think this is the same thing as being "fed up".

I have previously entertained, quite genuinely, the idea that you might, just possibly, not be a racist. If you're not, then the problem I have is that you're doing a fantastic impression of one, and the problem you have is that you're being unfairly labelled because of the words you use. You're gonna have to meet some of us halfway pb, because until you understand why the words you use appear to be racist in outlook things aren't going to change.

 

[markie]

I have a hunch that you're all wide of the mark.

Firstly, b-a-s' recollection is correct. Here is the relevant part of that topic - this is exactly as it appeared, since I copied it before it was deleted:

markie

Location: Newcastle upon Tyne,


Are they all inbred, up there?

I'm guessing that there's more to this comment than meets the eye - please could you take a moment to look towards the camera and elicidate for the audience?

I detected a significant overlap between this:

Well in my opinion they should stop anyone else coming in to this country, and take stock of who's in, ( illegally ) before opening the gates again, if ever.

If refugees are running away from there country in fear, then surely they would go to the nearest safe country, instead of paying someone to bring them to England, or trekking through diff countries to get here.

I was watching a doc last year, and it showed romania kids pick pocking people in London, they got caught by the police and couldn't speak a word of english. It turned out they were stealing for the parents, and even them couldn't speak a word of english.
So something has got to be done to curb this problem.

and the views of Slogger, who is also in Newcastle.
__________________
Good scientists have originality. Good engineers make designs with as little originality as possible

I believe that at least one of Moz's posts was indeed removed, but the real nub of the problem was one that caused the following warning to be issued by Moderator, aimed at you-can-probably-guess-who.

Im sick and tired of moderating posts such as this which are offensive to so many and which are based on views unacceptable on this forum. Any such further posts will simply be deleted, no matter how much you moan about it. Its unfortunate but it seems the message does not get through to you despite being warned time after time after time. If you wish to publicy air such views i suggest you take them elsewhere.

You-know-who also insinuated that Moderator had a prejudice that caused him/her to remove posts regarding the holocaust, whereas the truth was that the perpitrators posts were increasingly raving.

softus this post which starts with ," well in my opinion"

 

[paulbrown]

More bias softus,

I have asked you before, just like I have asked BAS, lets see these racist posts of mine, truly racist posts, rather than just in your opinion.

Not once have any of you found one, will you prove me wrong this time?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You did say BAS was broadly right but he did say this.

No - I asked, or wondered, if they were.

I just can't recall or see where he said such.

Are they all inbred, up there?

If you don't see a question like that as asking, or wondering, about something, then I can't explain any further.

Agree or disagree with BAS by all means, but you must accept that if the ball was on the other foot you would get fed up of being called racist day in and day out.

You know the solution to that, don't you?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

BAS, it is not a lie, I did write it as you said last night. I have written it differently now so you could understand what the word was, thats what you asked me to do!

Sorry - I can't find "k**b" in my dictionary either.

 

[Softus]

markie, firstly it depends upon why you wrote it, but as an isolated statement it doesn't strike me as a racist one.

However, I can't get my head around what you're proposing, because there are no "gates" and it's therefore impractical to prevent all immigration. Also, I can't help wondering if that would be rather hypocritical of us, since many people emigrate from the UK too. For this reason, I would want to know more about your underlying reasoning for suggesting this action as a solution to a perceived immigration problem.

 

[markie]

markie, firstly it depends upon why you wrote it, but as an isolated statement it doesn't strike me as a racist one.

However, I can't get my head around what you're proposing, because there are no "gates" and it's therefore impractical to prevent all immigration. Also, I can't help wondering if that would be rather hypocritical of us, since many people emigrate from the UK too. For this reason, I would want to know more about your underlying reasoning for suggesting this action as a solution to a perceived immigration problem.

Thank you, nothing more to be said on this subject. G nite every one.

 

[Softus]

More bias softus,

Well, I can't see what you refer to as bias - I thought I was being even-handed. It just goes to show

I have asked you before, just like I have asked BAS, lets see these racist posts of mine, truly racist posts, rather than just in your opinion.

Quite so, but the posts that, in the past, I've referred to as racist are rarely overtly so. I may as well abandon my olive branch offered with the suggestion that we discuss the terms that you use, and instead revert to my previous belief that you are indeed racist - why else would you object so strongly and yet ineffectively?

Not once have any of you found one, will you prove me wrong this time?

You don't get it do you? I'm not into proving anything to you, or anyone else on this forum. This isn't a court of law, and when I pass opinion on the content of your posts it's exactly that - my opinion. For you to attempt to belittle me on the grounds of your allusion that I've pretended something different is rather pathetic, and not even worthy of the badge of "deviousness" which has previously been pinned to you.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

markie, firstly it depends upon why you wrote it, but as an isolated statement it doesn't strike me as a racist one.

I was watching a doc last year, and it showed romania kids pick pocking people in London, they got caught by the police and couldn't speak a word of english. It turned out they were stealing for the parents, and even them couldn't speak a word of english.
So something has got to be done to curb this problem.

Their nationality, and language skills, are utterly irrelevant.

Picking pockets is a criminal act, and it is a law-enforcement issue, not an immigration one. In law the standards of proof in court, and the penalties, are the same for any nationality.

Introducing the utterly irrelevant fact of a criminal's nationality has a racist intent.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

BAS

why are you so defensive about refugees, ?

I'm not.

I'm just on the offensive towards racists.