Whats stopped you voting Labour

[gas112]

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Chuck out all the damned foreigners, eh Andy?

so its all those immigrants from the basic open door policy that are employed in the nhs or are they in the main long standing immigrants to this country going back decades

 

[denso13]

so its all those immigrants from the basic open door policy that are employed in the nhs or are they in the main long standing immigrants to this country going back decades

Irrelevant. @andy11 wants rid of them all.

 

[JohnD]

Immigrants working in the NHS are doing work which the aged Brit patients need.

Immigrants are generally younger and healthier and need far less care than aged Brits, so are a net gain. They also pay tax and NI.

 

[Notch7]

Every other country in the world has a healthcare system, most of which you don't hear about as they just work, efficiently, and don't drain the country of a massive chunk of its GDP.

Lots of European countries look after their people fairly and without bankrupting themselves. There are huge lessons we could learn if only we could get past the idiotic group mental block we appear to have, where the NHS is somehow holy and nobody is allowed to say it's a complete mess

“lots of European countries look after their people fairly without bankrupting themselves”


the leading healthcare systems of Germany, France, Italy etc all spend far more per capita than the UK……which rather destroys your argument

 

[Notch7]

I'm waiting for you to say 'what happened to the extra 350 million a week' the NHS would receive after brexit?, go on, say it, make my day punk.

The UK govt stopped paying the £10b a year when we left EU

but the cost to private businesses and citizens is now at least £10b more in trade barriers.


So the govt have transferred the cost to us, meanwhile they’ve used the spare £10b to give their mates in PPE contracts, test n trace, private labs.

 

[Notch7]

Regardless of which line you're looking at, that's an utterly horrendous runaway rate of spending growth

Rise in government spending above inflation was much higher under Labour

 

[Notch7]

Doesn't the UK still spend less per capita on health than other 1st world countries.

Indeed it does.

The NHS has its problems but this idea theres a massive runaway cost is simply untrue.

 

[Notch7]

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Chuck out all the damned foreigners, eh Andy?

I have nothing against foreigners working in the NHS but I do wish we trained more doctors and nurses.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

I have nothing against foreigners working in the NHS but I do wish we trained more doctors and nurses.

Hey Notch I think you are on to something! Perhaps if we trained people to do the jobs that we need we we wouldn’t have to pay them to do nothing week in, week out?

 

[denso13]

we wouldn’t have to pay them to do nothing week in, week out?

We don't.

 

[Dork Lard]

We could build all them new hospitals using the PFI initiative . . . . . Then pay for that by installing FOBT's in the reception areas.

 

[Vinty]

Unfortunately our GDP per capita has been falling behind comparable European countries since we left the EU.

Nothing to do with leaving the EU.
Whether the UK stayed in the EU or not, the trend towards privatisation would have continued.
The Tory philosophy of why give people something "free " when you can charge them for it, then again this is what the people voted for.

 

[algas]

All the commies coming out of the shadows should labour be voted back in ie Corbin, Abott & Co

 

[JohnD]

Nothing to do with leaving the EU.

Falling behind on GDP

Falling behind on trade

Falling behind on wages

Falling behind on healthcare

Just a coincidence, eh?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

The graph shows that, relative to demand from our growing and increasingly old population, healthcare spending was rising until about 2010, when something happened, and it has been pretty flat since.

Some dummy was trying to claim that the Conservative government was generously funding the NHS. Which is not true. Capital spending in particular has been lower than equivalent countries.

Stupid insults aside, and putting things as constructively as possible, you're talking utter ****e.

It's been ever-rising, or at the very best has levelled off relative to the booming population. The NHS has more money than ever before, and probably more per head of population too. The current crop of tories are doing a very good job of impersonating the labour party, given that they're wasting record amounts of money on it.

Definitely not the cuts and shortage of funding that the labour muppets falsely whine on about, to deliberately mislead the public into voting for them so they can lob the cash all over the place and put the final nail in this country's wrecked finances.