Whats stopped you voting Labour

[Vinty]

I don't understand what your point is - that you think it's accepatable or terrible. Here's a graph from the report you linked...

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Regardless of which line you're looking at, that's an utterly horrendous runaway rate of spending growth. Perhaps its rate of increase has reduced slightly since 2010 but it's still raging upwards, at a record high level every year. If it carries on like this, the NHS will be spending more than the country's entire government revenue. It's definitely not under-funded as the Labour liars continually claim.

I suspect that the tiny dip at the end has been well and truly wiped out by the covid and ongoing chaos since.

Doesn't the UK still spend less per capita on health than other 1st world countries.

 

[Justin Passing]

PFI costs the NHS 2% of its budget so let's not get it out of proportion
It was a scheme to fund projects which wouldn't otherwise have happened, but the contracts were devised by the private sector, to their advantage.
Major, Blair, Alan Johnson, Gordon Brown and others bear responsibility. The OBR was sidelined. Osborne tried to correct it, but years later Hammond finally stopped it - last I heard.
Where Sturgeon chose to limit the profits of the moneylenders, she got 2 fingers and a bunch of schools closed.

The government side should have "simply" put taxes up, - or employed better people to set out the contracts.
Same story with prisons.

 

[Justin Passing]

Doesn't the UK still spend less per capita on health than other 1st world countries.

Not particularly - , no. Look it up. We're in a whole bunch which pay between 4 and 6 $k per capita. Everybody wants better.
Compared with our GDP per capita, it's unremarkable

 

[JohnD]

I don't understand what your point is

The graph shows that, relative to demand from our growing and increasingly old population, healthcare spending was rising until about 2010, when something happened, and it has been pretty flat since.

Some dummy was trying to claim that the Conservative government was generously funding the NHS. Which is not true. Capital spending in particular has been lower than equivalent countries.

 

[JohnD]

Compared with our GDP per capita, it's unremarkable

Unfortunately our GDP per capita has been falling behind comparable European countries since we left the EU.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

My first house purchase was £33000 many years ago, a 2 bed terrace, we saved hard and had work done when we could afford it, the area over a few years went downhill to the point of many of them were boarded up, the local Labour council decided to compulsory purchase and demolish them and give homeowners first choice at a reduced price of one of the new properties being built in their place, we had a newborn baby so decided to sell and move elsewhere, the council paid us £6000 leaving us owing about £25000 and struggling...... the new estate that was promised was built 18 years later

A similar thing happened in inner Manchester. Row upon row of the old terraced houses were cleared in the 1990s/2000s and new, yuppie apartments built to improve the image of the city. The swanky new homes are now occupied by quite a lot of foreigners. Who knows where the original residents ended up? There was quite a lot of trouble in those old streets, but only caused by a minority that the authorities had failed to deal with. It's quite a scandal, I'm surprised nobody has made a "Highland Clearances" case of it.

 

[Justin Passing]

************************. Very brave hiding behind a key board
Would you like to explain why the health minister a couple of years ago was getting rid of several layers of management before he moved on .

To appease gobshites who have the numbers wrong, and go from one dumfk soundbite to another, like you do.
The proposed cuts (not implemented fully) would have saved the NHS under 0.4% of its budget while depriving the NHS of management expertise.
Look it up.
I already posted numbers on management in the NHS.

"On cutting NHS managers, Ian Kirkpatrick, Professor of Public Management at the University of York,said: “That would be a fatal error. It would be a dangerous mistake to start trying to target NHS managers. They are viewed as part of the problem when they are part of the solution.”

You're chucking trite ignorant excrement from behind your keyboard with no credible references and leave others to pull it apart. Just another troll. Then you try to claw back some grain of truth saying "why are you so stupid not to see this bit". You can wallow in your own poo, don't expect others to sift through it for you.

 

[Justin Passing]

Unfortunately our GDP per capita has been falling behind comparable European countries since we left the EU.

That's the problem, we need to make more money as a country. Cf Fred Dibnah's "selling double glazing to each other" - while fogetting that the financial services we used to do so well from has been allowed to leak away.

 

[gas112]

To appease gobshites who have the numbers wrong, and go from one dumfk soundbite to another, like you do.
The proposed cuts (not implemented fully) would have saved the NHS under 0.4% of its budget while depriving the NHS of management expertise.
Look it up.
I already posted numbers on management in the NHS.

"On cutting NHS managers, Ian Kirkpatrick, Professor of Public Management at the University of York,said: “That would be a fatal error. It would be a dangerous mistake to start trying to target NHS managers. They are viewed as part of the problem when they are part of the solution.”

You're chucking trite ignorant excrement from behind your keyboard with no credible references and leave others to pull it apart. Just another troll. Then you try to claw back some grain of truth saying "why are you so stupid not to see this bit". You can wallow in your own poo, I'm not going to sift through it for you.

SO there we have it justin knows better than the minister of health . Management expertise oh deary deary me you mean the managers who are running it into the ground something that those on the front line are constantly saying as well as criticising the government .
Yep you certainly are a gobshyte

 

[JohnD]

SO there we have it justin knows better than the minister of health .

The Secretary of State is on a short-term contract. He is a politician looking to please the people who might vote for him to be Prime Minister when his turn comes

NHS permies made redundant will be employed by Capita and rented out to the NHS at £5,000 a day to fill the knowledge and experience gap.

 

[Justin Passing]

SO there we have it justin knows better than the minister of health . Management expertise oh deary deary me you mean the managers who are running it into the ground something that those on the front line are constantly saying as well as criticising the government .

At least one PRIME MINISTER also said it was a mistake.
You claim - those cuts you like so much having been made, that the managers are running it into the ground.
They're not, mostly, just short of money?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

utterly horrendous runaway rate of spending growth. Perhaps its rate of increase has reduced slightly since 2010 but it's still raging upwards, at a record high level every year. If it carries on like this, the NHS will be spending more than the country's entire government revenue.

Nobody has yet mentioned what is really draining the NHS (and all other public services): artificial population growth.

Nearly 7 million new registrations by migrants with General Practitioners since 2010 - Migration Watch UK Blog

General practice in England alone provides over 300 million patient consultations each year. But what pressure does the uncontrolled, mass immigration that we have now put on the NHS? Analysis of statistics produced by the Office for National Statistics (based upon data from NHS Digital) show...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

[Justin Passing]

Chuck out all the damned foreigners, eh Andy?

 

[denso13]

Nobody has yet mentioned what is really draining the NHS (and all other public services): artificial population growth.

Nearly 7 million new registrations by migrants with General Practitioners since 2010 - Migration Watch UK Blog

General practice in England alone provides over 300 million patient consultations each year. But what pressure does the uncontrolled, mass immigration that we have now put on the NHS? Analysis of statistics produced by the Office for National Statistics (based upon data from NHS Digital) show...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

More lies.

How many migrants have registered with GPs in the last decade? - Full Fact

6.5 million migrants have joined GP surgeries in the decade from 2007, but not all of them are here long-term and some were double counted.

fullfact.org

 

[JohnD]

Nobody has yet mentioned what is really draining the NHS

Old British people who, as they get older, need more care, more often, and for longer.

Despite the best efforts of the Johnson government to cull their numbers, old people are increasing demand.