When considering in or out:

[Himaginn]

Why are those that come to this Country called migrants/Immigrants , but our people that move abroad are called Ex PATS. ??

I don't think this ex-Pat will be voting.

Who's that?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

71% of expats will vote to remain.
80% of expats who no longer have a vote would vote to Remain, if they could.

More than 4,500 of you who hold UK citizenship participated in the Angloinfo Brexit survey last month. The results were overwhelming with fewer than 3 in 10 planning to vote 'leave.' The numbers were even higher among those who are ineligible to vote, having lived abroad for 15 years or more. Over 80 per cent of this group would vote 'stay' if they could.

http://blogs.angloinfo.com/angloinf...tm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WeeklyNewsletter

Because they want to have their cake and eat it too.

Why are those that come to this Country called migrants/Immigrants , but our people that move abroad are called Ex PATS. ??

Well we are "migrants" to the locals when we hit Andalucia for our last few years and likewise the Spaniards call the their countrymen "ex pats" when they bring all their savings and pensions to invest here LOL.

 

[Doggit]

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the BBC etc, are no longer reporting on the Jungle, or anything else that might rock the remain boat.

And sorry Himmy, no one can tell you what sort of arfrangement we'd have with the EU if we leave, because it's the government that wants to stay, that would actually be doing the negotiating - just without Dave and George in charge. And because the current government will still be in place, we still won't have any control over our borders - this lot, along with the previous lot, and the next lot that we get saddled with, still won't have any idea how to run the country, because they're politicians, and not businessmen.

Guy Fawkes had the right idea.

 

[Himaginn]

Having just made a comment on shutpa's thread about green card insurance, it reminds me how many little things we've forgotten about when travelling in EU. We could even need an international driving permit to drive in EU in event of a Brexit.
Sure we've never needed one before (although we did need green card, etc) but we never know what might happen. (Cue EFLI!)
But all the expats ( well those that stay living in EU) might need to change their licences, etc.
I'm sure the need for regular registration will be resurrected.

 

[Himaginn]

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the BBC etc, are no longer reporting on the Jungle, or anything else that might rock the remain boat.

There won't be a jungle in Calais. The French will have no interest in stopping the migrants from attempting to cross Le Manche.
Don't forget there are absolutely no EU migrants in the Calais jungle, only non-EU migrants!
If the jungle continues, perhaps it will be twice the size due to EU wannabe migrants.
BTW, it is just you!

And sorry Himmy, no one can tell you what sort of arfrangement we'd have with the EU if we leave, because it's the government that wants to stay, that would actually be doing the negotiating - just without Dave and George in charge.

But it's the Leave campaigners that have been telling us that we can negotiate without Article 50 being invoked. So those negotiation could have been ongoing now without Article 50 being invoked. Informal negotiations giving us an idea of what's in store.

And because the current government will still be in place,

You reckon? How can Dave and George project economic disaster then govern in the face of such disastrous circumstances. What will they do when the economy implodes? Say, "we told you so!"
Anyone with a modicum of honour and integrity would resign and refuse pointblank to negotiate a Brexit. Leave it to those who will lead us into economic recession. Then say from the sidelines, "we told you so!" Their day will come. Who was it that said something like, "there is no problem that a lack of a solution will not solve"?
I've forgotten now.

we still won't have any control over our borders - this lot, along with the previous lot, and the next lot that we get saddled with, still won't have any idea how to run the country, because they're politicians, and not businessmen.

So we still won't have any control over our borders!
And we will have lost an awful lot of personal sovereignty to achieve bu99er all. Unless you consider economic recession an achievement.

Guy Fawkes had the right idea.

Guy Fawkes was a terrorist. (Yes, I know we celebrate terrorists, in his case.) I hope you were joking.

 

[Doggit]

You're more than likely right Himmy, but would that be a bad thing, and would it be the end of the world.

There was an interesting article by Max Hastings in the Mail recently where he argues for us to remain in the EU, whilst pointing out that it would fail within the next 10 years, and it would be better if we waited for it's final death throes. My contention is that if we wait that long, we will have been dragged down by the sinking ship well before then. You can show us as many articles as you like to support remaining, but at the end of the day, the current economic model that growth can only be achieved by absorbing more and more people, is faulty, and Angela Merkels open door policy for Germany, has shifted the current economic model for the whole EU toward the precipice.

Quantative Easing hasn't worked in the UK, nor in the EU, or America. The base rate in the UK is now at 0.5%, and in the EU, it's 0.00%, and central banks (including the UK) are now talking about moving to negative base rates whereby banks would be charged if they left money with the Bank of England.

It looks as though the world is about to go into crazy mode, and the real question is, do we want to be tied too closely to it.

 

[Doggit]

Anyone with a modicum of honour and integrity would resign and refuse pointblank to negotiate a Brexit

Just when did you last see a politician with any sense of Honour.

Guy Fawkes was a terrorist

And how many terrorists went on to become the saviours of their country. It's all about perspective; and those who win get the chance to write history the way they want it to appear.

But it's the Leave campaigners that have been telling us that we can negotiate without Article 50 being invoked. So those negotiation could have been ongoing now without Article 50 being invoked. Informal negotiations giving us an idea of what's in store.

Strangely enough, the EU have a set of plans already in place in case of a Brexit, but strangely enough, DD has forbidden any such thing being allowed.

 

[Himaginn]

You're more than likely right Himmy, but would that be a bad thing, and would it be the end of the world.

On what precisely, or just everything?

There was an interesting article by Max Hastings in the Mail recently where he argues for us to remain in the EU, whilst pointing out that it would fail within the next 10 years, and it would be better if we waited for it's final death throes.

And you think he's pro-EU?

My contention is that if we wait that long, we will have been dragged down by the sinking ship well before then.

I see you're into this theory of a sinking ship having some kind of pull on its surrounding flotsam.

You can show us as many articles as you like to support remaining,

I can?

but at the end of the day, the current economic model that growth can only be achieved by absorbing more and more people, is faulty,

Whoever said that was the model for economic growth?

and Angela Merkels open door policy for Germany, has shifted the current economic model for the whole EU toward the precipice.

Has it?

Quantative Easing hasn't worked in the UK, nor in the EU, or America.

Has it not? That's a novel idea.

The base rate in the UK is now at 0.5%, and in the EU, it's 0.00%, and central banks (including the UK) are now talking about moving to negative base rates whereby banks would be charged if they left money with the Bank of England.

One member of the BoE’s nine-strong monetary policy committee had that thought.

It looks as though the world is about to go into crazy mode, and the real question is, do we want to be tied too closely to it.

We live in the world. The Brexiters keep telling us how London, the financial capital of the world dominates the global economy. Why should we be worried, Brexit or not?

 

[Himaginn]

Guy Fawkes was a terrorist

And how many terrorists went on to become the saviours of their country. It's all about perspective; and those who win get the chance to write history the way they want it to appear.

But the winners (re-)write history and GF was not a winner by any stretch of the imagination.

But it's the Leave campaigners that have been telling us that we can negotiate without Article 50 being invoked. So those negotiation could have been ongoing now without Article 50 being invoked. Informal negotiations giving us an idea of what's in store.

Strangely enough, the EU have a set of plans already in place in case of a Brexit, but strangely enough, DD has forbidden any such thing being allowed.

Who's DD? Where are these plans? Are they available?
Well that's stangely enough, I guess!

 

[Doug99]

You're more than likely right Himmy, but would that be a bad thing, and would it be the end of the world.

There was an interesting article by Max Hastings in the Mail recently where he argues for us to remain in the EU, whilst pointing out that it would fail within the next 10 years, and it would be better if we waited for it's final death throes. My contention is that if we wait that long, we will have been dragged down by the sinking ship well before then. You can show us as many articles as you like to support remaining, but at the end of the day, the current economic model that growth can only be achieved by absorbing more and more people, is faulty, and Angela Merkels open door policy for Germany, has shifted the current economic model for the whole EU toward the precipice.

Quantative Easing hasn't worked in the UK, nor in the EU, or America. The base rate in the UK is now at 0.5%, and in the EU, it's 0.00%, and central banks (including the UK) are now talking about moving to negative base rates whereby banks would be charged if they left money with the Bank of England.

It looks as though the world is about to go into crazy mode, and the real question is, do we want to be tied too closely to it.

In the same article, Max Hastings stated that one of the reasons he is voting 'Remain' is because he does not want to see Boris Johnson as PM. So he's just another scaremongerer looking at personalities rather than the long term benefit of an independant UK.

 

[Doggit]

I agree Doug; the article smacked of a fear based decision, but I still think he's right in his opinion that the EU's doomed. And yet the remain camp are all clamoring to stay with the sinking ship. And whilst Boris can be a bit of a buffoon at times, I'd still rather go with him than the current weasely lot.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

And whilst Boris can be a bit of a buffoon at times, I'd still rather go with him than the current weasely lot.

+1. Cameron seems to be a monstrous hypocrit, sometimes saying the EU needs reform and we would do OK without it, then saying we can't handle the world stage on our own... Some of the things he's said about this country are shamefully anti-British and even cowardly. At least Boris seems to have slightly more backbone and patriotism. He wouldn't be in office for too long, so it'd be OK.

 

[Himaginn]

You're more than likely right Himmy, but would that be a bad thing, and would it be the end of the world.

There was an interesting article by Max Hastings in the Mail recently where he argues for us to remain in the EU, whilst pointing out that it would fail within the next 10 years, and it would be better if we waited for it's final death throes. My contention is that if we wait that long, we will have been dragged down by the sinking ship well before then. You can show us as many articles as you like to support remaining, but at the end of the day, the current economic model that growth can only be achieved by absorbing more and more people, is faulty, and Angela Merkels open door policy for Germany, has shifted the current economic model for the whole EU toward the precipice.

Quantative Easing hasn't worked in the UK, nor in the EU, or America. The base rate in the UK is now at 0.5%, and in the EU, it's 0.00%, and central banks (including the UK) are now talking about moving to negative base rates whereby banks would be charged if they left money with the Bank of England.

It looks as though the world is about to go into crazy mode, and the real question is, do we want to be tied too closely to it.

Even USA is waiting until UK referendum result to decide whether to raise the base rate or not.
They're worried that Brexit will adversely affect US economy:

Federal Reserve chair Janet Yellen said a UK vote to leave the European Union could have "significant economic repercussions".

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36463819

 

[JohnD]

I imagine the outists are shifting all their spare cash out of sterling and into dollars and krugerrands.

 

[Doggit]

Nope, if if we stay in, the stock market will rise, and I'll cash in one of my funds, and if we vote leave, the stock market will go down, so I'll invest in it. The holiday will also be based on the results.

And in true remain twist the facts style,

Even USA is waiting until UK referendum result to decide whether to raise the base rate or not.
They're worried that Brexit will adversely affect US economy:

In a speech on Monday, she actually said "Brexit was ONE factor that the central bank would consider when deciding whether to raise interest rates."