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Why the obsession with university!!
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I live on a **** estate, and my daughter (with two children) has passed law with honours, also been offered a job and that makes me feel so good, next daughter down,18, only has a level 3, working with children, nursery etc, but she's the most qualified (on paper) to be a manager.
No, train, grab every opportunity that you can.
If there's nowt for the man with, there's certainly now't for the man without.
No, train, grab every opportunity that you can.
If there's nowt for the man with, there's certainly now't for the man without.
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What 'name calling'? You were, were you not, a 'Public School' boy?
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Sounds like double standards to me - public education for an underprivileged from the Midlands - how did that work then? Was it a one off or does the scheme still apply?
I think the stuff under your nose makes your head go higher and try to look down on others that want to get somewhere in life.
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Yes, wise words indeed. Train to grab everything this country can give you whilst claiming benefits - p***e
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Wait until the employer runs a check on her parents - they'll l drop her like a hot potato. How can they employ the offspring of a recidivist thief like you are?
She must be ashamed to have a father that's a crim and a benefit cheat.
Never give no-one a chance in life joe?. why blame my children for my past? by the way, checking my past will never affect my children, not allowed today.
though you was a little wiser? you know sh ite s
though you was a little wiser? you know sh ite s
I agree with part of the sentiment of the OP here. In the last 10-15 years there has been a massive drive to get pretty much everyone through uni whether they want to or not, and that is wrong.
Imagine if the government decided that everyone should go through plumbing college, whether they wanted to or not. We would have millions of people who could plumb (or not) but no desire or intention of ever soldering up an end-feed or declogging a saniflo.
My goal in life, since the age of 11, it was to be a Physicist. To do so, I had to get a degree in Physics.
Whilst at uni, I met a surprising number of people who were only there to pass the time / get p*ssed. Some of them started uni with no clue on jobs and life, but left uni with decent degrees that helped them get jobs. The system really worked out for them. If you spend a few years living as a "grown-up", but with the safety net of your parents, you really grow as a person.
But, I knew many people who left uni with a degree but still had no idea, and ended up doing an apprenticeship anyway. They could have saved their £10K+ (now it's supposedly £30K+) and been 3 years further up the career ladder.
As a matter of interest, is that £30K realistic?
Tuition fees = £3200 a year
Rent = depends on part of country... in London I was paying 2x what my mates in Birmingham were paying, and 5x what my mates in Sheffield and Bradford paid, but tbh it looks like central London is still about £100-150 a week for digs. So, let's go for London rents and say £4500 a year.
Food = £1000 a year (remember it's only about 34 weeks)
Books = £250 a year (fairly middle-of-the-road - some courses less, some more).
That all comes to about £9K. Add £1K for nights out (remember students know the cheap places) and a few additional things, you get £10K. Multiply by 3, sure that's £30K in total.
But, when I was at uni, I got full-time jobs in the holidays. Other people got part-time jobs in term time. Some got both. That really reduces the debt. If you get a job at £6 an hour, it's easy to clear £250 a week with no tax as you are below the annual threshold for income tax. Do that for 8 weeks of your 12 week summer and that's £2000 a year.
If you can clear £12 an hour, that can be £4000 a year and you're nearly halfway to paying it all.
Imagine if the government decided that everyone should go through plumbing college, whether they wanted to or not. We would have millions of people who could plumb (or not) but no desire or intention of ever soldering up an end-feed or declogging a saniflo.
My goal in life, since the age of 11, it was to be a Physicist. To do so, I had to get a degree in Physics.
Whilst at uni, I met a surprising number of people who were only there to pass the time / get p*ssed. Some of them started uni with no clue on jobs and life, but left uni with decent degrees that helped them get jobs. The system really worked out for them. If you spend a few years living as a "grown-up", but with the safety net of your parents, you really grow as a person.
But, I knew many people who left uni with a degree but still had no idea, and ended up doing an apprenticeship anyway. They could have saved their £10K+ (now it's supposedly £30K+) and been 3 years further up the career ladder.
As a matter of interest, is that £30K realistic?
Tuition fees = £3200 a year
Rent = depends on part of country... in London I was paying 2x what my mates in Birmingham were paying, and 5x what my mates in Sheffield and Bradford paid, but tbh it looks like central London is still about £100-150 a week for digs. So, let's go for London rents and say £4500 a year.
Food = £1000 a year (remember it's only about 34 weeks)
Books = £250 a year (fairly middle-of-the-road - some courses less, some more).
That all comes to about £9K. Add £1K for nights out (remember students know the cheap places) and a few additional things, you get £10K. Multiply by 3, sure that's £30K in total.
But, when I was at uni, I got full-time jobs in the holidays. Other people got part-time jobs in term time. Some got both. That really reduces the debt. If you get a job at £6 an hour, it's easy to clear £250 a week with no tax as you are below the annual threshold for income tax. Do that for 8 weeks of your 12 week summer and that's £2000 a year.
If you can clear £12 an hour, that can be £4000 a year and you're nearly halfway to paying it all.
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Everyone doesn't do the 'same' degree though Donk.
They've changed the law in the last 12 years then!
Back in '98, you could get means-tested financial support in the form of a grant and a reduction of your tuition fees. Sounds fair, except they means-tested the students' parents to get it. Not the student.
Students who could prove no contact with their parents in several years could get a grant. But it meant being basically disowned whilst 12 years old.
Outgoings were not counted in the means-test. So, it discriminated against those living in areas of expensive housing as in such areas the lower-priced housing is non-existent and people in professions such as nursing and teaching have high outgoings out of necessity rather than choice.
However, a mate on my course had parents who's "on-paper" earnings were £16K a year. He got free tuition plus a whacking great grant, yet their £16K was earned off book rights from work they had done decades ago, they had no mortgage (bought a small-holding with original book earnings), and had virtually no outgoings as their small-holding was self-sufficient. £16K was their pocket money.
A very fair point there.
OK, so it would be more like saying everyone had to learn plumbing or electrics or carpentry or brick laying etc. We'd all be very happy in our fantastically-built houses right up to the point where someone falls off a ladder and finds we have no brain surgeons to make with the vinegar and brown paper.
Then, after it turns out he fell of a ladder because he drilled through a wire, there would be no engineers to design the RCD that would have stopped him getting as much of a shock.
Then when the houses all fall down because the mortar crumbles, where are the chemical engineers who understand the mechanisms behind mundic reactions? And we'd run out of land because anything more than 2 or 3 stories really needs a structural engineer unless you want to just make the walls 3 feet thick.
Aspley, can I assume that whilst at university you did not study english language?
Underprivileged, not as you spell it, underprivaleged.
Kids, the young off-spring of a goat.
And in an earlier post,
[/quote]Jealous of what? I have a public school education, a degree and my kids likewise.............so the 'J' word does not apply. I just see parents pressurised trying to live their lives through the academic achievements of their kids. Try talking to the average parent about your childs achievements....chances are they will quickly want to talk about their kids achievements....they talk but don't listen.....they are as I say obsessed with their own childs achievemnts and couldn't give a monkeys about yours........Am I correct or am I correct
Underprivileged, not as you spell it, underprivaleged.
Kids, the young off-spring of a goat.
And in an earlier post,
[/quote]Jealous of what? I have a public school education, a degree and my kids likewise.............so the 'J' word does not apply. I just see parents pressurised trying to live their lives through the academic achievements of their kids. Try talking to the average parent about your childs achievements....chances are they will quickly want to talk about their kids achievements....they talk but don't listen.....they are as I say obsessed with their own childs achievemnts and couldn't give a monkeys about yours........Am I correct or am I correct
Eeh lad, y'don't know y'born.
When I were growing up, we envied those who lived on a council estate in Dudley. We didn't have none of your fancy Black Country Ways.
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