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[EFLImpudence]

My view is that the EU have demonstrated that they wish to shackle us into a subservient deal and they are not in any way benevolent.

An interesting use of language.

What do you mean by subservient?
Do you mean less than equal like the remaining 27 countries?
If so, what else would you expect? A better deal than being a member?

Do they have to be benevolent? They must be completely fed up with the nonsense from Britain.

 

[JohnD]

A very likeable chap

Filly has a soft stop for a lying cheat who thinks only of himself and despises his adopted country.

No surprise there.

 

[festive]

What Buffoon wants, is to be Prime Minister.
Brexit or Remain, Deal or No-deal, are frivolous details to him. He is not a committed Brexer. He is a committed Johnsoner.


He is using and abusing whatever tools he can to cling on as PM.

Including our Queen.

Including the break-up of the United Kingdom



Buffoon is a notorious liar. He lies about everything. Your touching belief is based on nothing but unfounded hope.

With all due respect you were on here wetting yourself over our current PM when he had a domestic with his partner, you were on about it for feckin days like a gossiping old lady with nothing else in her life. You are like the ones i mentioned just can't bring yourself to appreciate anything he does no matter how good. Despite any best efforts ie arranging for you to have free BJ's all your life (clue not Boris Johnsons) you'd still moan about it.

 

[festive]

Filly has a soft stop for a lying cheat who thinks only of himself and despises his adopted country.

No surprise there.

Why do you lot make to these 2nd person slander comments, its twisted, you seem to copy eachother on here, all of you with this same mentality give it the

'xxxx' person doesn't wipe his ass after using the toilet... its true though it's like playground accusations.

 

[JohnD]

slander

It is not slander (nor libel) to say that Johnson is a liar and a cheat.

and that you say filly finds him likeable.

No surprise there.

Perhaps you like that sort of thing as well. Looks like it.

 

[fillyboy]

and that you say you find him likeable.

No surprise there.

That was me John, and could you wipe your chin when you get a moment, you'll short circuit your keyboard if you carry on foaming at the mouth like that.

 

[JohnD]

silly filly.

 

[Lower]

An interesting use of language.

What do you mean by subservient?
Do you mean less than equal like the remaining 27 countries?
If so, what else would you expect? A better deal than being a member?

Do they have to be benevolent? They must be completely fed up with the nonsense from Britain.

I mean that they want to be able to exert control over us even though we're not part of the EU. They want us to continue to be bound by their standards, their laws and their rules. They certainly don't want a low tax competitor on their doorstep as an example.

I don't expect a better deal than being a member and no, i do not expect them to be at all benevolent. We're leaving the EU, why would they benevolent!

I expect them to negotiate hard for their own advantage as they have and we must be able to negotiate hard back, which i don't think we did under May. However, some members of parliament seem to expect them to be benevolent and just offer us a better deal than they've already offered when they have no incentive to do so.

 

[SirGalahad]

England and NI judges have decided they don't have the right to get involved in prorogation for political purposes. Scottish judges disagree.

Read the judgements and understand the differences - what you have insinuated is the Scottish Judges have interfered in politics - complete and utter lie.

Singapore-on-the-Thames?

 

[SirGalahad]

Every coin has two sides.

The core of your belief appears to me to be that Johnson is aiming for no deal. I think he wants a deal.

The aim of the 21 MPs you refer to is either to remain or that they have the view that a decent deal can be obtained by consent of the EU and without the threat of no deal.

My view is that the EU have demonstrated that they wish to shackle us into a subservient deal and they are not in any way benevolent.

I believe that the only way we can get a fair deal out of the EU is if they genuinely believe that they have something to lose. Consequently, we have to make them believe that we are prepared to walk away to force them to renegotiate. Validity of that view has been proven by the change in stance from the EU since Johnson came to be PM. Historically, they repeated the mantra that the deal couldn't be changed. A few weeks or the real risk of no deal and now a chink has appeared in their armour and they are discussing a renegotiation.

I believe that that Johnson does want and deal and is following the strategy described above. Yet he has no majority and there is a body of resistance in Parliament that is determined to wreck and undermine this strategy to either keep the UK in the EU or weaken our negotiating position to the point that we accept a deal that is almost the same as remaining in the EU.

With that in mind, I believe that Johnson is using whatever tools he can, including prorogation, to attempt to stymie the wreckers.

I do not think he lied about prorogation and i do not think he's lied about negotiating.

I also think that if we cannot get a deal out of the EU before Brexit and we leave with no deal, a deal will be forthcoming fairly quickly afterwards. Yet we may have to risk leaving with no deal for that to be the case.

You manage people. Jeez.

 

[SirGalahad]

A very likeable chap though nonetheless.
What are your thoughts on Gina Miller? George Soros's puppet?, married to Mr Hedge Fund, manages a massive fund financed by Soros and registered in Bermuda to avoid tax.

Details please. Do you know about Theresa May husband or do you turn a blind eye?

 

[SirGalahad]

I mean that they want to be able to exert control over us even though we're not part of the EU. They want us to continue to be bound by their standards, their laws and their rules. They certainly don't want a low tax competitor on their doorstep as an example.

I don't expect a better deal than being a member and no, i do not expect them to be at all benevolent. We're leaving the EU, why would they benevolent!

I expect them to negotiate hard for their own advantage as they have and we must be able to negotiate hard back, which i don't think we did under May. However, some members of parliament seem to expect them to be benevolent and just offer us a better deal than they've already offered when they have no incentive to do so.

Singapore-on-the-Thames. Lets just not trade with the EU then.

 

[Lower]

Read the judgements and understand the differences - what you have insinuated is the Scottish Judges have interfered in politics - complete and utter lie.

Singapore-on-the-Thames?

If i insinuated that then i must make myself clearer.

The Scottish judges have clearly interfered in politics. The piece of law that the case was brought under does not apply in England and it appears to me that they have applied their own assessment of the reasons for prorogation.

As the specific piece of law that the case was brought under does not exist in English law, i will be interested to see how the supreme court handle it and how it applies UK wide.

 

[Lower]

Singapore-on-the-Thames. Lets just not trade with the EU then.

Where have I suggested that? Why are you so determined to frustrate a deal?

 

[Lower]

You manage people. Jeez.

I do and i voted remain at the referendum.