Zionism is a belief held by Zionists

[JohnD]

Especially children, @motorbiking

"In November 2021, the New York Times published a short documentary, Mission: Hebron, directed by former Israeli soldier Rona Segal. The film sheds light on some of the daily suffering of Palestinians in occupied Hebron and how Israeli soldiers inflict pain on them for fun or to appease Jewish settlers. One of the soldiers told the director that, “It is fun [to shoot children]. Everyone high fives.”

Back in 2004, a group of Israeli soldiers shot dead a Palestinian boy in Gaza just for fun, Al Jazeera reported Yedioth Ahronoth as saying. “Seven bullets pierced my son’s head,” said the boy’s father, “so you can’t talk here about a mistake or random gunfire. This was an act of direct and clear sharpshooting.”

 

[JohnD]

Motorbiking shrugs off the death and suffering of non-jews. They are of no consequence to him.

A familiar facet of racism.

"The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child said in a June 2013 report that the “Palestinian children arrested by [Israeli] military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released.” It also said they were used as human shields.

“Israeli soldiers repeatedly used Ahmad Abu Raida, 17, as a human shield for five days while he was held hostage,” during the 2014 Israeli offensive against Gaza, said UNOCHA.

On 13 May 2022, Israeli occupation soldiers used 16-year-old Palestinian girl Ahed Mereb as a human shield in front of an Israeli military vehicle while deployed in the northern occupied West Bank city of Jenin, the DCIP reported."

 

[Notch7]

Israeli human rights source, by the way

according to Motorbiking it must be a Jew hater source

 

[Odds]

We have no doubt that if he were alive today, Einstein would be at the forefront of the demonstrations in support of the Palestinians in Gaza, hand in hand with the brave young Jews of If Not Now, and he would be very proud of them. And that he would agree with another great Jew, the only surviving leader of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, the co-founder of the legendary Polish Solidarnosc labor union, Marek Edelman, when he compared the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to the Palestinian struggle.

 

[Odds]

The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.

During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.


Discrepancies Seen

The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a “Leader State” is the goal.

In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ, HANNAH ARENDT, ABRAHAM BRICK, RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO, ALBERT EINSTEIN, HERMAN EISEN, M.D., HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D., H.H. HARRIS, ZELIG S. HARRIS, SIDNEY HOOK, FRED KARUSH, BRURIA KAUFMAN, IRMA L. LINDHEIM, NACHMAN MAISEL, SEYMOUR MELMAN, MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY, SAMUEL PITLICK, FRITZ ROHRLICH, LOUIS P. ROCKER, RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK SANKOWSKY, I.J. SHOENBERG, SAMUEL SHUMAN, M. SINGER, IRMA WOLFE, STEFAN WOLFE.

New York, Dec. 2, 1948

 

[Odds]

For all these reasons, the warnings about the evil consequences of the ‘fascism’ and ‘terrorism’ of Begin and his party, contained in Einstein and Arendt’s open letter, remain extremely relevant 73 years after their publication. And precisely because Begin’s successors in the Likud Party and in Israel are his flesh and blood, followers of his work, disciples of his teachers and custodians of the same ideological, political but also organizational heritage, what they are doing today in Israel, the Middle East and in the entire world, as scandalous as it is, is neither the product of improvisation nor an invention of the moment. These are political choices that obey and are governed by the “logic” of a particularly dangerous political current, that of the far-right Revisionism of the Zionist movement, that originated already a century ago…

 

[Odds]

(Einstein could have become president of Israel, if he had accepted in November 1952 the invitation made to him by the founder of the State of Israel and its first prime minister David Ben Gurion to succeed Israel’s first president, Haim Weizmann, who had just passed away.)

CADTM.org

 

[JohnD]

As night follows day, Israel will continue its expansionist policy of destroying Palestine and Palestinians, their apologists will continue to squeal "jew-hater," and motorbiking will falsely claim that English law prohibits criticism of Israel's racist genocide.

 

[motorbiking]

Except I haven't. I have correctly defined stirring race and religious hatred. I have pointed you in the direction of the statute, the definitions of race, religion and hatred etc. so that you may read it for yourself.

If you publish material that is intended to insult a race, and having regard for the circumstances it is likely to stir racial hatred, you commit an offence. There is more than one way for you to commit an offence.

By all means carry on. This site is indexed externally, so you never know who might see it.

 

[Notch7]

I have correctly defined stirring race and religious hatred. I have pointed you in the direction of the statute, the definitions of race, religion and hatred etc. so that you may read it for yourself

but criticising the state of Israel is not stirring race and religious hatred

If you publish material that is intended to insult a race, and having regard for the circumstances it is likely to stir racial hatred, you commit an offence. There is more than one way for you to commit an offence

the word "IF" rather important

criticising the state of Israel is not stirring race and religious hatred

your continued attempt at weaponising anti semitism to hide the atrocities committed by state of Israel is tedious

 

[JohnD]

Its when your own little Jew hating comments are added, that there is a problem.


Quoting the New Testament, as abuse.

You claim that referencing Scripture is abuse?

You are crazy.

And seeking to marginalise religions that are not Jewish

I expect somebody like you would claim you are a racist for doing such a thing.

Luckily we aren't in Palestine, where gunmen in the Israeli army can kill non-jews with impunity.

 

[JohnD]

I have pointed you in the direction of the statute, the definitions of race, religion and hatred etc. so that you may read it for yourself.

But you have failed to identify a sentence that says what you falsely claimed.

Because there isn't one.

Because your claim was not true.

Stirring hatred towards Zionists is not protected, because they meet the definition of a race, in the public order act, particularly using the above example.

No they don't.

 

[motorbiking]

Thats just your uneducated opinion and it's wrong. Carry on as you like.

To provide an example of someone doing something and then declare that they [all] enjoy it, or they [all] like nothing more, is when you cross a line.

You apply a racist stereotype intended to stir hatred against those who fit in the same group but are not guilty of this act.

Your racism is no better than someone saying Muslims like to behead people, just because they have evidence of one or some muslims beheading people. Not all muslims like to behead people not all people from Saudi enjoy beheading people even though the government has a policy of doing so.

You're a racist and you like to stir racial hatred. if you want people to stop calling you a jew hater, then perhaps stop posting your hatred towards jews.

 

[Notch7]

You're a racist and you like to stir racial hatred. if you want people to stop calling you a jew hater, then perhaps stop posting your hatred towards jews

If any of that was true, you would be able to produce some evidence

youve spent months posting anything but evidence..........because its not true

 

[fillyboy]

If any of that was true, you would be able to produce some evidence

youve spent months posting anything but evidence..........because its not true

See post #72