5amp round 2pin sockets
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Paul_C
No. There's nothing in the building regs. which says you have to wire to one, or indeed any, particular standard.
If you did not comply with a standard how would you know that you had made reasonable provision in the design and installation of the installation in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering it from fire or injury?
Do you not think that the requirement to protect anybody maintaining it or altering it would mean that you would have to document the standards or conventions you had adopted if they were not what would reasonably be expected in the UK?
Do you think that providing unearthed non-polarised and unshuttered socket outlets would be reasonably safe for people using the installation?
Do you not think that the requirement to protect anybody maintaining it or altering it would mean that you would have to document the standards or conventions you had adopted if they were not what would reasonably be expected in the UK?
Do you think that providing unearthed non-polarised and unshuttered socket outlets would be reasonably safe for people using the installation?
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I see that we have varying opinions. I have some three pin ones somewhere I shall use thouse. I shall save the sockets for projects not involving mains 
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Paul_C
Not an uncommon occurrence around here!
What's so special about having to comply with one particular standard throughout? Yes, there are issues with mixing standards; Shucko sockets on a 30A ring are bad for obvious reasons, but that's not the same thing as saying that Shucko and BS1363 can't coexist in the same building.
Would it be unreasonable to expect 2-pin 5A BS sockets in the U.K., given that there are still installations from the 1950's out there with them? But wasn't P2 removed from the building regulations anyway?
Yes, if used properly. How would they be any less safe than the unearthed, non-polarized, and non-shuttered sockets which are still in the standards of some EU countries?
Have you typed the whole book out
Between us, probably yes, and then we keep links to the regulations which we quote often so they can be copied and pasted in.
I type all mine out verbatim as and when I need them
Because the more you mix and match, and the more you don't adhere to any standard but just do things which you think should be OK, the less reasonable your actions become.
Not newly installed, no.
Do you think that choosing not to work to the most obvious standard to use in this country purely because you've got a box full of old sockets that no longer comply with the standard, and you want to use them just to save a few quid, would count as reasonable?
It was, but what's that got to do with it?
Because they would not be reasonably to be expected in this country.
no, but when a specific reg comes up and someone asks what it is I type it out and then cut and paste it to a text file I have.. so eventually I might have done the whole book..
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Paul_C
If, say, somebody wanted a few Shucko sockets around a room for some reason, why do you think it would be unreasonable to run a circuit or two for those outlets in an installation which in other respects is to BS7671?
How would those sockets and the associated circuits be any different from the same sockets and circuits if the entire house had been wired to VDE or some other standard?
If there's a good reason for wanting to deviate from the "obvious" standard, or in fact for wanting to work to some other standard entirely, then yes, it's reasonable.
The government guidance on compliance with Part P doesn't in any way state that failure to comply with the "obvious" standard would result in non-compliance with the requirement for "reasonable provision for safety."
You asked about documenting standards or conventions if they were not ones reasonably expected to be used in this country, in order to satisfy the requirement for anyone maintaining or altering the installation in the future. As P2 was revoked, no such requirement now exists.
But how does that make them any less safe?
unearthed - obvious danger from a fault if the item being plugged in is not DI..
unshuttered - they're kicking up a fuss over socket blanks that let toddlers stick a straightened paperclip down the tiny hole left.. so a great big gaping hole is an even bigger target..
non-polarised - leaves the live connected when switched off on items with single pole switches and if the plug is reversed..
unshuttered - they're kicking up a fuss over socket blanks that let toddlers stick a straightened paperclip down the tiny hole left.. so a great big gaping hole is an even bigger target..
non-polarised - leaves the live connected when switched off on items with single pole switches and if the plug is reversed..
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