A Blatant Lie by BJ about Trade between NI and GB.

[Vinty]

Exactly, and that is one reason why NI is now more pro EU, and more pro-reunification than at any time in recent history.
Brexit is certainly a driving force, but the handling of the pandemic is also very high in the motivation for unity.
The mortality rate in Ireland is about half that of NI, probably due to lower case numbers.
Experts suggest it is due to Irelands handling of the pandemic compared to NI (UK's) handling.
For instance, while UK was enjoying 6-nations rugby matches (attended by BJ and his fiance) and Cheltenham races, Ireland had closed schools, cancelled Saint Patrick's day parades and international rugby matches.

In the event of a referendum, it is expected that EU would back reunification, and Germany especially would support it due to the support given by Ireland during the German reunification.

Additionally the induction of the reunified Ireland into the bloc, is already guaranteed by EU.

You are delusional.

 

[Vinty]

the Good Friday Agreement.

Use the correct title please.
Belfast agreement.

 

[Vinty]

Germany didn't annexe Austria by force. Austrians waved Hitler in with flowers.
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Adolf Hitler entering Austria (12-15.03.) Hitler arriving at Braunau . Welcome by the local population12.march 1938-

The majority of NI citizens may well have welcomed the 'annexation' of NI by EU. They didn't want Brexit. It was forced on them by the Unionists.
Run the referendum and we'll know, but we'll get some indication during the forthcoming elections in 2022.
The Tory minister wants that election delayed. I wonder why. DUP been making calls about imaginary threats again?

The Austrians weren't throwing flowers a few years later when their country ended up in a grave.

I predict the same fate for the EU.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The Austrians weren't throwing flowers a few years later when their country ended up in a grave.

I predict the same fate for the EU.

Why all these veiled threats, like: "forced out" " by one means or another", "graves", "fate", etc?
You really are coming across as an inherently violent person.
I suggest you dial down the rhetoric.

 

[ajohn]

Exactly, and that is one reason why NI is now more pro EU, and more pro-reunification than at any time in recent history.

Your underestimating the strength of feeling some have. If it wasn't for that it might have unified yonks ago. I have wondered if unification is one of the ERG's ideas/aims.

There will come a time when it will be the EU who will be moaning, i hope you have a more sympathetic attitude to their plight.

Maybe as popularists will keep pecking away in various ways. Another type will too. Those that see the EU as a barrier to free trade that interferes with their ability to sell there which it does.Market size also gives it some clout that they wouldn't have without it. Taken in total they have a trade surplus. Disband it and not just one boarder crops up but lots of them. Taxes on goods may vary more which can create other problems. Don't know what happens in Andorra these days but in the past going on imports you wouldn't believe how many cigarettes each Andorran smoked.

The other aspect is that a couple of countries joined the EU so that they could still easily trade with the UK. Sounds like that wont matter now so it depends on their population. One of them was Ireland. They went Euro has had no problems maintaining their currency value. The UK did so dropped out of that. All Euro areas managed to do it.

 

[Vinty]

Why all these veiled threats, like: "forced out" " by one means or another", "graves", "fate", etc?
You really are coming across as an inherently violent person.
I suggest you dial down the rhetoric.

You obviously have problems with reality.
I was just stating a historical fact about Austria.
The sames forces(am i permitted to use this word) are at work in Europe today that existed in pre war Europe and if they are not stopped the whole EU project could end in tears for everyone.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The other aspect is that a couple of countries joined the EU so that they could still easily trade with the UK. ... One of them was Ireland.

Ireland applied before UK to join EU.

They went Euro has had no problems maintaining their currency value.

One of the reasons was to ditch the pound and adopt the currency of EU.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

You obviously have problems with reality.
I was just stating a historical fact about Austria.

When you use words like "well armed private armies", "forced out" " by one means or another", "graves", "fate", etc to achieve your political desires, it smacks of terrorism.

I suggest you dial down the rhetoric.

The sames forces(am i permitted to use this word) are at work in Europe today that existed in pre war Europe and if they are not stopped the whole EU project could end in tears for everyone.

What same forces? Do you mean the political desires of factions that employ "well armed private armies", that are prepared to "force" their political opponents out by "one means or another", and that their "fate" might end up in "graves" and "tears"?

Sounds very much like threats of terrorism to me.
I suggest you dial down the rhetoric.

 

[ajohn]

One of the reasons was to ditch sterling and adopt the currency of EU.

What I stated was factual. The GBP had the same problem which caused the UK to stop maintaining it's value and allowing it to float. Trading.

Not worth bothering about your comment on the other EU aspect. It's fact.

 

[Vinty]

When you use words like "well armed private armies", "forced out" " by one means or another", "graves", "fate", etc to achieve your political desires, it smacks of terrorism.

I suggest you dial down the rhetoric.



What same forces? Do you mean the political desires of factions that employ "well armed private armies", that are prepared to "force" their political opponents out by "one means or another", and that their "fate" might end up in "graves" and "tears"?

Sounds very much like threats of terrorism to me.
I suggest you dial down the rhetoric.

If you don't want to hear that sort of language, stop posting it.
Stop being a nervous ninney.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What I stated was factual.
Not worth bothering about your comment on the other EU aspect. It's fact.

Ireland applied in 1961, UK applied in 1963

Ireland’s ambassadors in five of the six EEC capitals made a case for full membership and finally, and in advance of Britain, on July 31st, 1961, Ireland applied to join.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...-eec-fraught-with-fear-of-rejection-1.3695449

Britain first began talks to join the EEC in July 1961. The UK's applications to join in 1963 and 1967 were vetoed by the President of France, Charles de Gaulle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_membership_of_the_European_Union​

I suggest you don't bother replying, as you've been proved factually incorrect.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

If you don't want to hear that sort of language, stop posting it.
Stop being a nervous ninney.

I'm not the one posting it, you are.
I suggest you dial down the rhetoric, if you don't want to appear as endorsing terrorism.

 

[ajohn]

I suggest you don't bother replying, as you've been proved factually incorrect.

Yawn.

 

[Vinty]

terrorism

What is your fixation with this word.
You keep bringing it up.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What is your fixation with this word.
You keep bringing it up.

You keep using the words normally associated with terrorism:
"well armed private armies", that are prepared to "force" their political opponents out by "one means or another", and that their "fate" might end up in "graves" and "tears"?