A dangerous cult now runs Britain

[Captain Nemesis]

No. Corybn is more left than many so sees the EU as a capitalist club as much of the world is. He's essentially a socialist. EU in or out. Tricky.

And very tricky for Labour when a significant number of those whose best interests would be served by booting the Tories out were brainwashed by our gutter press to believe that the source of their ills was not Tory policies but membership of the EU.

 

[mitch66]

It's ammusing to see Johnd, Himmi, Himmis many alter egos and their few followers ensuring that the Labour don't stand a chance of being taken seriously any time soon. Thanks guys. Keep up the good work. The support of guys like you ensured the massive Tory majority and Labours downfall. It's easy to see why you constantly call people out for being stupid etc, for voting Brexit and Tory. Takes the blame off you. I thank you. I bet Boris does too. He really couldn't of done it without you lot. Cheers

 

[motorbiking]

You'll never win any argument by inventing silly scenarios such as this one:

Which country has been denied any vaccine until the rest of the EU27 have been vaccinated?
That was obviously an invented scenario from a very biased, immoral and intellectually inferior mind.


It looks like you've done exactly that.

predictions of an alternative future are of course made up scenarios. I would have thought an intellectually superior individual would be able to appreciate that? But as you mention it, there is plenty of evidence that the EU sought to interfere with commercial exports as a lever due to their own failing.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BT0C4

 

[Captain Nemesis]

It's easy to see why you constantly call people out for being stupid etc, for voting Brexit and Tory.

The only alternative to that narrative is that they properly looked into the issues and the people and decided that they did actually want the chaos and damage of Brexit and the consequences of a lying, corrupt, incompetent narcissist as PM.

Collapse of the fishing industry? They actually wanted it.
Farmers going bankrupt? They actually want it.
No preparedness for a pandemic? They actually wanted it.
Tens of thousands of excess deaths in care homes? They actually wanted it.
Government ministers enriching their friends and party donors? They actually wanted it.
1% pay rise for nurses? They actually dont think they are worth any more.
The possible return of violence in NI? Theyre actually happy with that.
The possible break-up of the UK? Theyre actually happy with that too.

 

[transam]

Corbyn was an electoral gift to the tories / Johnson

I recall various posts on here showing pics of the thousands of people who turned up to his rally’s
A sort of corbyn cult was in the making

1st thing Starmer did was rid his front bench of the corbyn cult members

and than got him thrown
Out the party

of course some in here don’t quite see it as corbyn lost the election because he was a bigger buffoon than Johnson

it’s the fault of the press or any thing else they can invent to blame it onto

fact is it’s the fault of the membership that voted him as the leader

 

[motorbiking]

Maybe they actually wanted to lose?

 

[transam]

Blimey picture the scene the labour door knockers canvsssing for votes

traditional labour voter confronted on the door step by some activist
Telling him about LGB rights

and how he is a racist and bigot for voting brexit and when was the last time he made a donation to Hamas

blimey said voter may have been in the army and told about corbyns belief that the army should be dis banded

and that corbyn was off to Russia to see putin where as well as polishing putins shoes he would be
Giving up our nuclear weapons

 

[Captain Nemesis]

It is indeed a problem for Labour that many of their traditional voters are indeed illiberal, racist, homophobic, bigoted throwbacks.

Whether naturally so or whether theyve been brainwashed into those sad mindsets by the gutter press is a good question. But whatever the answer(s) is/are, the Labour party pandering to such people is not one. All that will bring about is a socialist illiberal, racist, homophobic, bigoted throwback government.

 

[transam]

Sorry Bob ( not ) can’t see yer post but hazard a guess

it’s not true my gran never left the
Uk in all her 92 years she was not in the SS

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Sorry Bob ( not ) can’t see yer post but hazard a guess

it’s not true my gran never left the
Uk in all her 92 years she was not in the SS

Did you only have the one?
That would explain it.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

predictions of an alternative future are of course made up scenarios. I would have thought an intellectually superior individual would be able to appreciate that? But as you mention it, there is plenty of evidence that the EU sought to interfere with commercial exports as a lever due to their own failing.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BT0C4

It clearly wasn't a prediction of an alternative future. It was a blatant attempt to misrepresent the past.

We could easily be hooked in to some EU vaccine scheme listening to apologies as to why we wont get the vaccine until the rest of the EU 27 have been done.

No country has been denied any vaccines until the rest of the EU27 have been vaccinated. That was a total misrepresentation based on a couple of occasions that the EU process for ensuring fair and equitable distribution was mentioned in the media.
There is plenty of evidence that EU implemented a process to ensure that the available vaccines were shared out equally and according to need.
It was a process that was motivated by some countries, like the UK, selfishly refusing to participate in a fair and equitable distribution.

 

[ajohn]

Maybe they actually wanted to lose?

I actually really do wonder about that aspect and have before.

Corbynism was mostly appealing to the younger generations. It's a fact that a goodly proportion of the UK population have been brainwashed into thinking that a country can only be run in one way. It started with Mrs T and balancing books as all housewives know has to be done. Trouble with viewing things this way is times and problems change. Circumstances change as well. China is a rather big problem for the west and other countries will have similar effects in the long term as China gets more expensive. This assumes countries want to make things and also export. There ability to do that depends on costs. That's why jobs move.

Privatisation has 2 effects. One is that it reduces gov's direct expenditure due to not balancing the books via money from the tax take. The other is it also results in some more tax take from them. Customer pay how ever it's done one way or another. Bills or increased taxation. Profit figures in one and also a country can finish up with it's utilities in foreign ownership. I've seen comments that share holding in this area is popular with Canadian pension funds. True of false - pass but .........

There is a 3rd as well. Dept levels. They all started at zero. They aren't now but the gov doesn't hold the debt.

Jobs. Fact of life fewer and fewer in all areas over time. Reducing the number of people involved usually needs investment but results in reduced costs long term. This is even happing in shops, banks due to online use and the list goes on. One line sales are causing retail problems. A warehouse is a cheaper option than a big fancy store. A little store doesn't have the buying power to compete with either really.

Don't worry getting out of the EU will solve all problems. Actually the EU is a form of protectionism and hated by some who don't want any of that anywhere. It will always have problems as it contains many countries each wanting the best for theirs. That also means rules are needed. On that basis it can't compete with the USA but they have state problems there. The EU viewed as a whole has been pretty successful in the USA anyway.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It's ammusing to see Johnd, Himmi, Himmis many alter egos and their few followers ensuring that the Labour don't stand a chance of being taken seriously any time soon.

If you're a typical Tory supporter, no wonder a lying racist managed to end up as PM.
A rumour is all it takes for a genuine case of folie de groupe.
The thread title is looking more appropriate with each post by the seriously deluded.

 

[mitch66]

If you're a typical Tory supporter, no wonder a lying racist managed to end up as PM.
A rumour is all it takes for a genuine case of folie de groupe.
The thread title is looking more appropriate with each post by the seriously deluded.

I don't think there is a typical Tory supporter nowadays. The one tenuous link I guess is that you and the other magic grandad followers on this forum don't like them. Are you sure you're not a Tory activist? I only voted Brexit because I just couldn't bring myself to vote the same as JohnD, you (Himmi), Noseall etc. It can't be a coincidence that you lot, rather than trying to empathise with people and trying to coax them round to your way of thinking just call them stupid bigots etc. You're not gaining support, rather driving people away. Do you honestly not see that? Continual claims from your camp about how clever you are and all who disagree are thick. I reckon Boris has got you on the payroll. Notch's tactic suggests he might actually be a Labour remainer. The old "God blimey mate, I voted out but saw the light" and his occasional "agreement" with a Brexer or Tory! Good effort LOL.

 

[SirGalahad]

I don't think there is a typical Tory supporter nowadays. The one tenuous link I guess is that you and the other magic grandad followers on this forum don't like them. Are you sure you're not a Tory activist? I only voted Brexit because I just couldn't bring myself to vote the same as JohnD, you (Himmi), Noseall etc. It can't be a coincidence that you lot, rather than trying to empathise with people and trying to coax them round to your way of thinking just call them stupid bigots etc. You're not gaining support, rather driving people away. Do you honestly not see that? Continual claims from your camp about how clever you are and all who disagree are thick. I reckon Boris has got you on the payroll. Notch's tactic suggests he might actually be a Labour remainer. The old "God blimey mate, I voted out but saw the light" and his occasional "agreement" with a Brexer or Tory! Good effort LOL.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...d-shift-is-surprisingly-old-and-international

Educated voters’ leftward shift is surprisingly old and international
A new paper by Thomas Piketty makes the rise of right-wing populism look like a historical inevitability