BREXIT Put your hands up if you didn't know what you were voting for.

BREXIT Put your hands up if you didn't know what you were voting for.

  • I knew

    Votes: 20 83.3%
  • I didn't know

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24
That we can agree on. Especially a referendum that didn't give the electorate a true glimpse of what voting against the 'status quo' would mean in personal/economic terms.
(Personally my family can ride out the economic ramifications, but it is the effect on individuals/families that concern us most)

The real villains in this piece are Camoron and the nasty party...
They wanted to hold on to power at all costs, and a divided country is the result.

I doubt many leavers will change their minds, and neither will many remainers.

So what we are left with is roughly half the country blaming one side or the other if/when it all goes pear shaped.

That is why common sense dictates that whatever deal is done a meaningful vote should take place on the ACTUAL facts, not the so-called promises!

Spell out what it means to the country/individuals as a whole, not just listening to the lies of a few vested interests!

Good post. Well put. I don't want to agree about the nasty party bit but you have a valid point.
 
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Good post. Well put. I don't want to agree about the nasty party bit but you have a valid point.
I was only quoting our prime minister as regards her description of her own political party :)

But putting that aside I believe that the 2016 referendum was flawed, since it was totally lacking the facts.

So if there were a second referendum based on the reality not the lies and the result was still the same, then I would not like it but would find it much easier to come to terms with.

Farage (in a rare moment of lucidity) expressed the same - let's put this to bed in a way that the majority* in this country however they vote can finally (however gracefully or not) accept it!

Otherwise in same way as UKIP arose, then there will inevitably be a pro European party formed that will again threaten the stability of our country, and the cycle of 'short termism' will continue!

*I find it interesting that in order to overule the fixed term parliament act a two thirds majority in parliament is required (which may not even represent the electorate), but a referendum of such magnitude needs only a 1 vote 'majority'.

Such is our 'democracy'!
 
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Welcome. We may have different opinions but you do give food for thought, unlike others in your corner.
The thing is 'food for thought' is indeed what is needed, not the 'in your face' type of argument.
(I am as guilty of the latter sometimes as are many others!)

The economics of Brexit are important, but what I am passionate about is the human impact - which so far has been mainly downplayed.

We can ride out the price rises and possible job losses (which I fear the majority can't), but the freedom of movement and work/education opportunities that our family has enjoyed/taken for granted is now threatened as a whole.

Our children (as dual nationals) are ok, but their lifetime friends are not.

And if you study the small print of the 'deal' so far agreed, our options as a family together in any one place have suddenly become very limited as opposed to the freedom we enjoyed before 23/6/16
 
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Are you too friends now ?

I've listened to a lot of opinions about stuff on here. Ellal has pushed my buttons several times and is clearly slightly the other side of some of my views. I'm quick to moan like a £$%^ when I disagree but likewise if he/she says stuff that I get, what would I be if I argued for the hell of it??
 
That we can agree on. Especially a referendum that didn't give the electorate a true glimpse of what voting against the 'status quo' would mean in personal/economic terms.
(Personally my family can ride out the economic ramifications, but it is the effect on individuals/families that concern us most)

The real villains in this piece are Camoron and the nasty party...
They wanted to hold on to power at all costs, and a divided country is the result.

I doubt many leavers will change their minds, and neither will many remainers.

So what we are left with is roughly half the country blaming one side or the other if/when it all goes pear shaped.

That is why common sense dictates that whatever deal is done a meaningful vote should take place on the ACTUAL facts, not the so-called promises!

Spell out what it means to the country/individuals as a whole, not just listening to the lies of a few vested interests!


What a load of cobblers.
Leave won. End of story.
The country then should unite and then moves on. Whether its for richer or poorer no one knows.
Not for at least 30 or 40 years. After ww2 people just put their heads down and got on with it and faced far tougher times than now.
If its poorer then you'll have a right to moan. Otherwise why don't you remoaners just STFU?
A referendum took us into the eu. Now one is taking us out.
Dumb LWR.
 
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What a load of cobblers.
Leave won. End of story.
The country then should unite and then moves on. Whether its for richer or poorer no one knows.
Not for at least 30 or 40 years. After ww2 people just put their heads down and got on with it and faced far tougher times than now.
If its poorer then you'll have a right to moan. Otherwise why don't you remoaners just STFU?
A referendum took us into the eu. Now one is taking us out.
Dumb LWR.


Hang on a minute your just blowing all the love out the water .
 
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I'm shocked to hear you say that. You mean those dreadful Tory rebels are feathering their nests with nothing but their own best interests at heart?
How awful for those poor gullible quitter voters.

gullible :LOL: tis u who is gullible Noseall .

You belong to the "nasty" remainer fraternity . With your goading posts & your name calling .Boyo

I suspect we will be for another one of your holiday reports with your boozed up hoo har henry mates :LOL:

and incidentally go on a diet your picture is a kin disgrace :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

Blimey no wonder the EU want rid of us lets face it you are hardly an ambassador for the UK are u , more like an embarrassment :LOL:
 
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learnt from you JD ;) must admit I have refrained from some of yours and nosealls name calling behaviour ;)

:LOL:

As they say chickens come home to roost ;)

Remind me what u and Noseall have called me ;) would u like me to list them for you
 
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Aww, it is still too sore. Sorry to pick at your wound.
No problem. Each time you want to mention it I will happily remind the forum of woody's lack of integrity, poor understanding of a fundamental building issue, and I could continue, if you want, about his homophobic abuse.

Now will you tell the forum about how you know about the issue?
Obviously, after trying to deceive the forum into believing you were a new member, and it subsequently became patently obvious that you were not, which you now reinforce, I will assume that you will continue as mightygob did before, defending woody's stupidity, lack of integrity and homophobic abuse.

Perhaps you will explain why you left and who you told why you were leaving. Eeyore and a**e end insist you were bullied from the forum by me. Although eeeyore has now done an about-face and decided that I am incapable of bullying anyone, which is a nice compliment.

As I said before, your self-confessed hatred of me ignores all and any issue that others may have, you will take a contraposition to anything I say. You are hellbent on shooting the messenger despite the content of any message. If others' position is one of racist abuse, lack of integrity, mendacious allegations, homophobic abuse, it does not matter, you will happily adopt and defend those positions in order to rant against me.
So do continue, it says more about you, your hatred and your deceit than it does about me.
 
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